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[–] 212 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If "everyone will be using AI" and it's not a bad thing, then these big companies should wear it as a badge of honor. The rest of us will buy accordingly.

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  • [+] 64 points 8 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (11 children)
  • [–] 39 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    “The people who advocate for AI” are literally running around claiming that AI is Jesus and it is sacrilege to stand against it.

    And by literally, I mean Peter Thiel is giving talks actually claiming this. This is not an exaggeration, this is not hyperbole.

    They are trying to recruit techno-cultists.

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  • [–] 153 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    They don’t need to court developers, they need to court consumers. The games will be sold wherever people are buying.

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  • [–] 92 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Consumers have already decided mobile gambling slop is the most successful investment in the gaming industry. I don‘t trust consumers to know what‘s best for them.

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  • [–] 69 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    I think the studies showing how certain minds can be targeted and manipulated by dark gambling patterns made me think differently about gambling. I'm less likely to blame the victims now - in many ways it can be difficult or near-impossible for them to control those impulses. I’d at least like lootbox gambling slop to be regulated the same as casinos.

    Look how popular fantasy sports is now. It’s basically just the casino industry seeking out new avenues to cheat the definition of “Playing odds to win cash”.

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago

    Well yeah gambling is addicting, the mobile slop companies know that so they try to get people addicted to it. It’s really sad what’s happened to the mobile gaming space, as it’s so heavily dominated by gambling. Hell the entire world is being run over by gambling companies now. It’s a major problem that will have to be addressed at some point soon.

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  • [–] 39 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    consumers

    This is very much a pet peeve, but be careful about how you use "consumer" versus "customer". They each imply completely different power dynamics.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    This guy thinks he's a "customer"

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Maybe some people, who are an ocean away from me, have been gaslit into thinking they can't be anything other than consumers. I know it can be difficult to grasp the concept, but you can refuse a service if the terms are unacceptable. It is possible to go into a transaction with open eyes and full knowledge of the rights granted to you by law and responsibilities demanded of you by the contract.

    That's why I say "customer". It's a reminder to myself that I should demand equitable treatment, even if the chances are slim unless the courts get involved. You don't have to jump into the meat grinder willingly.

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  • [–] 65 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    The reality is, that it’s often stated that generative AI is an inevitability, that regardless of how people feel about it, it’s going to happen and become ubiquitous in every facet of our lives.

    That’s only true if it turns out to be worth it. If the cost of using it is lower than the alternative, and the market willing to buy it is the same. If the current cloud hosted tools cease to be massively subsidized, and consumers choose to avoid it, then it’s inevitably a historical footnote, like turbine powered cars, Web 3.0, and laser disk.

    Those heavily invested in it, ether literally through shares of Nvidia, or figuratively through the potential to deskill and shift power away from skilled workers at their companies don’t want that to be a possibility, they need to prevent consumers from having a choice.

    If it was an inevitability in it’s own right, if it was just as good and easily substitutable, why would they care about consumers knowing before they payed for it?

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  • [–] 31 points 8 months ago

    Don’t forget, “Turns out it was a losing bet to back DEI and Trans people”.

    This is something scared, pathetic, loser, feral, spineless, sociopathic, moronic fascists come up with to try to win a crowd larger than an elevator; Assume the outcome as a foregone conclusion and try to talk around it, or claim it’s already happened.

    Respond directly. “What? That’s ridiculous. I’ve never even seen ANY AI that I liked. Who told you it was going to pervade everything?”

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago

    That reminds me how McDonald's and other gaat food chains are struggling. People figure it's too expensive for what you get after prices going up and quality going down for years. They forgot that people buy if the price and quality are good. Same with AI. It's all fun if it's free or dirt cheap, but people don't buy expensive slop.

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    [–] 57 points 8 months ago

    Corporations are not our friends, even when they seem friendly, like Steam. However, they can be useful allies, so I'm glad to see this response from Steam.

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  • [–] 47 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

    The ethics and utility (or lack thereof) of AI is an important discussion in it's own right. In terms of Steam though, I really don't think it's relevant. Players want the disclosures, that's it, that's all that should really matter. Am I missing some nuance here?

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  • [–] 30 points 8 months ago

    The nuance is that Tim doesn't give a shit what players want, him and his cronies don't want it because it's harder to convince someone to play AI slop when they know it's AI slop before they even try it 😂

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It might make players demand lower prices if some cheap AI slop is used in the game. That's the thing publishers want to avoid. They want to sell cheap slop for full price and pocket the difference. That's what it's about in the end.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    They want it? I don't know, the review score of Black Ops 7 begs to differ.

    Personally I'll give money to a hard working indie dev that may use AI to help in their work spiradically over a big company shoving AI in everything to replace workers.

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    [–] 45 points 8 months ago

    It's all they had to say for me to continue ignoring Epic.

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago

    Consumers have a right to be informed of information relevant to them making purchasing decisions. AI is obviously relevant to the consumer and should be disclosed.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago*

    "Calls to scrap" the disclosures make it sound like a societal movement, when in fact it's just two people with obvious bias: Tim Sweeney and some guy who promotes Tim Sweeney's products on youtube.

    I don't give a flying frog what they think. When I allow someone to sell me something, I like to know what's in it.

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I'm glad for those disclosures (because I'm not touching AI games), but tons of devs don't disclose their AI usage, even in obvious cases, leaving us to guessing :/

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    [–] 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Man I use AI a lot and I'm not even going to dispute that lol. It's absolutely true.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago*

    Extremely common Valve W

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    Based Ayi Sanchez

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    ....what calls? No one is calling for this. One dude said it was unnecessary. That's not a call, it's an opinion. He's not out picketing for the end of fucking AI labels.

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    [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    We need laws passed where AI should have to be clearly labeled or the user faces severe fines. Robo calls and AI IVR phone systems should clearly tell you "this is AI".

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    Use of AI should be disclosed the same way 3rd party DRM and EULA agreements are. And similarly it should mention some details. People are free to boycott Denuvo if they want, but people are also free to buy it anyways if they want. Disclosure is never a bad thing.

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  • [+] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Some douche nozzle from epic games said Stream needs to scrap their AI disclosure requirements because soon all games will be AI.

    ETA Article link: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/epic-ceo-wants-valve-and-steam-to-stop-requiring-devs-to-disclose-generative-ai-usage

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