▲ 929 ▼ Valve dev counters calls to scrap Steam AI disclosures, says it's a "technology relying on cultural laundering, IP infringement, and slopification" (www.pcgamesn.com) submitted 8 months ago by OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world to c/games@lemmy.world 92 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Devial@discuss.online 64 points 8 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] 4am@lemmy.zip 39 points 8 months ago (1 child) “The people who advocate for AI” are literally running around claiming that AI is Jesus and it is sacrilege to stand against it. And by literally, I mean Peter Thiel is giving talks actually claiming this. This is not an exaggeration, this is not hyperbole. They are trying to recruit techno-cultists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 8 months ago (1 child) Ironically, one of the defining features of the techno-cultists in Warhammer 40k is that they changed the acronym to mean "Abominable Intelligence" and not a single machine runs on anything more advanced than a calculator. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 4am@lemmy.zip 4 points 8 months ago* Sci Fi keeps trying to teach us lessons, and instead we keep using it as an instruction manual. (Except, apparently, whenever it’s on the nose we interpret it as dramatic irony…) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sl00k@programming.dev 5 points 8 months ago (3 children) I think the grey area is what if you're an indie dev and did the entire story line and artwork yourself, but have the ai handle more complex coding. It is to our eyes entirely original but used AI. Where do you draw the line? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Default_Defect@anarchist.nexus 14 points 8 months ago Disclose the AI usage and how it was used. Let people decide. There will always be "no AI at all, ever" types that won't touch the game, but others will see that it was used as a tool rather than a replacement for creativity and will give it a chance. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Devial@discuss.online 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sl00k@programming.dev 2 points 8 months ago I definitely agree but I think that case would still get caught in the steam AI usage badge? permalink fedilink source parent [–] irmoz@reddthat.com 3 points 8 months ago That's somewhat acceptable. The ideal use of AI is as a crutch - and I mean that literally. A tool that multiplies and supports your effort, but does not replace your effort or remove the need for it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) How does this model collapse thing still get spread around? It's not true. Synthetic data has actually helped bots get smarter, not dumber. And if you think that all Gemini3 does is recycle idk what to tell you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Devial@discuss.online 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) I stopped reading when you said according to me and then produced a wall of text of shit I never said. Synthetic data is massively helpful. You can look it up. This is a myth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Devial@discuss.online 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] exu@feditown.com 1 point 8 months ago Recycling sounds suspiciously like what "AAA" studios already do permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 39 points 8 months ago (1 child) “The people who advocate for AI” are literally running around claiming that AI is Jesus and it is sacrilege to stand against it. And by literally, I mean Peter Thiel is giving talks actually claiming this. This is not an exaggeration, this is not hyperbole. They are trying to recruit techno-cultists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 8 months ago (1 child) Ironically, one of the defining features of the techno-cultists in Warhammer 40k is that they changed the acronym to mean "Abominable Intelligence" and not a single machine runs on anything more advanced than a calculator. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 4am@lemmy.zip 4 points 8 months ago* Sci Fi keeps trying to teach us lessons, and instead we keep using it as an instruction manual. (Except, apparently, whenever it’s on the nose we interpret it as dramatic irony…) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 8 months ago (1 child) Ironically, one of the defining features of the techno-cultists in Warhammer 40k is that they changed the acronym to mean "Abominable Intelligence" and not a single machine runs on anything more advanced than a calculator. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 4am@lemmy.zip 4 points 8 months ago* Sci Fi keeps trying to teach us lessons, and instead we keep using it as an instruction manual. (Except, apparently, whenever it’s on the nose we interpret it as dramatic irony…) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 4 points 8 months ago* Sci Fi keeps trying to teach us lessons, and instead we keep using it as an instruction manual. (Except, apparently, whenever it’s on the nose we interpret it as dramatic irony…) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sl00k@programming.dev 5 points 8 months ago (3 children) I think the grey area is what if you're an indie dev and did the entire story line and artwork yourself, but have the ai handle more complex coding. It is to our eyes entirely original but used AI. Where do you draw the line? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Default_Defect@anarchist.nexus 14 points 8 months ago Disclose the AI usage and how it was used. Let people decide. There will always be "no AI at all, ever" types that won't touch the game, but others will see that it was used as a tool rather than a replacement for creativity and will give it a chance. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Devial@discuss.online 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sl00k@programming.dev 2 points 8 months ago I definitely agree but I think that case would still get caught in the steam AI usage badge? permalink fedilink source parent [–] irmoz@reddthat.com 3 points 8 months ago That's somewhat acceptable. The ideal use of AI is as a crutch - and I mean that literally. A tool that multiplies and supports your effort, but does not replace your effort or remove the need for it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Default_Defect@anarchist.nexus 14 points 8 months ago Disclose the AI usage and how it was used. Let people decide. There will always be "no AI at all, ever" types that won't touch the game, but others will see that it was used as a tool rather than a replacement for creativity and will give it a chance. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Devial@discuss.online 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sl00k@programming.dev 2 points 8 months ago I definitely agree but I think that case would still get caught in the steam AI usage badge? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sl00k@programming.dev 2 points 8 months ago I definitely agree but I think that case would still get caught in the steam AI usage badge? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 3 points 8 months ago That's somewhat acceptable. The ideal use of AI is as a crutch - and I mean that literally. A tool that multiplies and supports your effort, but does not replace your effort or remove the need for it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 months ago (1 child) How does this model collapse thing still get spread around? It's not true. Synthetic data has actually helped bots get smarter, not dumber. And if you think that all Gemini3 does is recycle idk what to tell you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Devial@discuss.online 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) I stopped reading when you said according to me and then produced a wall of text of shit I never said. Synthetic data is massively helpful. You can look it up. This is a myth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Devial@discuss.online 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Devial@discuss.online 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) I stopped reading when you said according to me and then produced a wall of text of shit I never said. Synthetic data is massively helpful. You can look it up. This is a myth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Devial@discuss.online 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 months ago (1 child) I stopped reading when you said according to me and then produced a wall of text of shit I never said. Synthetic data is massively helpful. You can look it up. This is a myth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Devial@discuss.online 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Devial@discuss.online 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] exu@feditown.com 1 point 8 months ago Recycling sounds suspiciously like what "AAA" studios already do permalink fedilink source parent