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[–] 110 points 1 year ago (48 children)

As much as I hate Elon, this is a terrible idea. Cheap Chinese trash mobiles built by Uyghur slave labor are not the answer.

How about we build cars in Canada instead?

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  • [–] 67 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Except they aren't trash, they're better than Teslas that's for sure.

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  • [–] 48 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    They are still data hungry, surveillance machines that are allways online and gps tracked. We need cars without that kinda shit built in.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago

    There has been talks about forcing Chinese cars to come over disconnected. Every new car is a surveillance machine. The western brands will not be asked to disconnect anything and it will probably be illegal to do so yourself, so Chinese cars might be an actual win in that regard.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    American car company secretly send your driving data to your insurance company so they can squeeze more out from you for any minor reason they see fit. There's no reason canada insurance company won't do that. Scared about chinese car collecting your data is kinda missed the point, you should have stronger data protection instead.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Build cars in Germany, Japan, South Korea and the like. focus on something non car you can sell to them in return. You can do anything but not everything.

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    [–] 77 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I have a better alternative: invest in viable alternatives to driving! expand protected bike lanes, build the damn high speed rail, more trains, trams and bus lines. One more asphalt lane for cars wont solve traffic problems :)

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    [–] 76 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    i would find amusing if countries retaliate US tariffs by singling out Musk and Trump companies

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    [–] 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Replacing nazi cars with slave labor cars is a pretty fucked up idea.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Pretty much anything that you've ever owned has been made from the exploitation of some working class somewhere. The clothes you wear. The house you live in. The electronics that you use. The furniture that you own. The very food you eat and drink is often cheap because of an exploited worker somewhere that's paid pennies on the dollar. Your going to draw the line at a drastically cheaper car that's leaps and bounds better for the environment than a petrol vehicle? Okay.

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    [+] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
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    [–] 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Top that with copyrights removal on Tesla tech.

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    [–] 34 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Or just fix public transit for fucks sake. Evs are a distraction from the problemm

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    [–] 31 points 1 year ago

    I think we should build them ourselves.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago

    Why not both

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (27 children)

    I obviously don't understand the economics of it and I realize that China will always have the upper hand on price but is there a reason every western EV has to be $40,000+? Like surely it's possible to build a barebones model for less than 30k right - especially if I don't need or even want touch screens or fancy interior materials or heated seats or anything.

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    [–] 25 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I dont think there is a single privacy friendly EV on the market.

    If a Canadian company could build and export an EV that wasn't loaded with invasive sensors and where the data recording and uploading was opt-in (or non existent), loads of US Americans and Europeans would import them from Canada.

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    [–] 25 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Canada has the same incentive to not open the door to Chinese EVs that the US does.

    Why would they shoot themselves in the face just to splash some blood on someone else?

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    [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Someone's doing the happy hunny dance....

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    [–] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The argument against Chinese Ev's is not an economic one.

    If some authoritarian state wants to steal from its poorest in society and transfer the wealth to foreign electric car buyers, why is our government trying to win in the race to the bottom?

    Billions have been spent on the Canadian EV industry through subsidies, tax cuts and grants. The relative amount of jobs and Canada made goods are pitiful. The real beneficiaries are the foreign auto companies.

    We will NEVER have a competitive advantage against China, Japan, US, UK, SK and Germany. Stop trying and put all that money and effort into something we do have a chance at being competitive in.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    It's not about being competitive against Chinese EVs, it's about preventing China from attacking us economically, politically, and potentially even digitally.

    These aren't just dumb vehicles, they're running Chinese made software, for a Chinese company, and reporting data back to China.

    They're not just manufactured in China like you may have with other digital devices, with the software control and data residing in more friendly nations.

    That matters.

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    [–] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Ban the fucking things.

    Offer loan forgiveness to any Tesla owner. Tell musk to fuck off.

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    [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    That feels like "robbing Peter to pay Paul". We don't want to be dependent on either nationalist autocracy.

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    [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    I hope EVs don't get a bad name out of all this. EVs are one of the few good things to come out of the last decade or so.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Why just a tariff? Just ban all Tesla vehicle imports and all sales of new Tesla vehicles. For owners of existing vehicles they should be offered a generous buyback and equally generous loan terms for a new or used car. That would encourage most Tesla owners to trade-in their vehicles.

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    [–] 17 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Yes, more Chinese infrastructure, that phones home and can be turned off remotely, with a switch, is definitely what the West need.

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    [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    The world needs to tariff ALL elon companies and move away from American products/offerings in general. We need something to replace AWS in the worst way. The world needs to remember the corporations foreign and domestic that helped faciliate this and freeze them out because if they do it here in the US they WILL do it in your countries too. Toyota helped fund 1/6 for example. I will never buy a toyota because of it and elons companies will never get any patronage from me either.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Seize all Musk and Trump-owned assets.

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    [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    now canada needs to invest in proper public transportation, so in the future people wouldn't need to buy a car just for day to day life.

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    [–] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Please please please...BYD is making super cheap Tesla killers. I'd love to get my hands on one.

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    [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    $15k EV... Yes Please!!!

    Nah you wouldn't want one, they're bare bones.

    Okay, add $5k worth of options = $20k EV... Yes Please!!!

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