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[–] killingspark@feddit.org 14 points 2 years ago

Not the person you asked but I'm interested if I'm passing the vibe check

I hate that NATO exists, but I see that it has currently a purpose because other forces would and did overpower countries that aren't included in a military alliance with mutual support obligations.

I want NATO to be a thing of the past as soon as possible but that doesn't mean dismantle it and be helpless again. It means we need to get rid of the need for a NATO.

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[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago

Based. We need more NATO members, except Turkey cause fuck Turkey trade them for the Armenians. I also aint much of a fan of Hungary.

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[–] msage@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Simple - does anything threaten the housing and food? If yes, can NATO stop it? If yes, then yay NATO. Any other case? No thank you.

Demilitarizing the world won't happen in a night, but we all know NATO won't agree to it, so it will have to go eventually.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I would argue belligerent nations waging war on agricultural nations, for example Ukraine, is a threat to food and housing.

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[–] msage@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Well there we go!

In ideal world, things like that would not be necessary, but as we know, asking countries to destroy their weapons never leads to their prosperity... so fuck that, too.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

I didn't ask about Ideal world NATO, I asked about NATO which implies the context of reality we currently live in.

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[–] msage@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Did I not answer that question in my first comment? Wait - I did.

I then tried to hint that (as my first comment actually started), we as species should try to build a better world, focusing on providing the minimum for everyone before giving very few everything there is.

Is NATO perfect? No, it sucks, but we currently won't do any better. Like nothing I keep repeating all over here.

But I wish we stopped everything, and I mean everything apart from housing and basic food, to actually solve the climate crisis.

And, ironic as it is, stopping everything would actually be the best thing right now.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Building a better world involves unconditional support of mutual defence pacts such as NATO. Once you've eliminated the cause for NATO, then dissolving NATO will make sense. Building a better world without NATO just sounds like some Putin/CCP Cocksucking in the context of our reality.

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[–] msage@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago

Yes yes yes, that is exactly what I mean the entire time, thank you for understanding it. We ALL should agree to forget losers, psychopaths, and everyone who want to have power over others, and focus on problems of the weakest ones first and foremost.