▲ 666 ▼ Court rules Gabe Newell must appear in person to testify in Steam anti-trust lawsuit (www.pcgamer.com) submitted 2 years ago by Goronmon@lemmy.world to c/games@lemmy.world 271 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 55 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm out of the loop, can someone reply what's going on? I'll leave this comment for those like me who curious what happened permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spark947@lemm.ee 60 points 2 years ago (2 children) David Rosen of Wolfire Games (Receiver, Overgrowth, Lugaru) is alleging that steam reps have threatened to de-list his game if he lists it as less expensive on other platforms. Specifically not just steam keys but other distribution platforms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago (6 children) Which is hard to believe, considering how many times I've bought steam games on other (legitimate) platforms that were cheaper than on steam, that are still on steam today and werent removed for being cheaper on another platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Rose@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sure, but Valve essentially reserve the right to no longer sell your game if it's offered cheaper elsewhere. See the quotes on pages 54 through 56 of the complaint. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (5 children) Which is a dick move on valves part. Remember folks, Valve isnt the peoples company. All the good things it does, it does only because of regulation pressure or lost lawsuits. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Remember folks, Valve isnt the peoples company. No corporation is "the peoples corporation", but some corporations treat their customers with a lot more respect and fairness in pricing/policies than others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yes, but people have to be reminded of that with "sweetheart" companies like AMD and Valve, because they get too deep in the koolaid and forget it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] notamechanic321@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) Fyi I like valve but im in no way sworn to them. I think the justification would probably be that if they continued listing the item: It maybe mislead consumers into paying more for the same thing The reason why people pay more in that scenario is for convenience (IE all games in the same place) but that would be exersizing valves monopoly, so it may be safer to just remove to reduce complaints to steam about the higher pricing because there will be operational cost to processing those support requests and complaints I don't feel like valve does everything because of lawsuits. Open sourcing proton wasn't due to a lawsuit. Releasing Cs2 as a free upgrade to csgo wasn't due to a lawsuit. On the other hand and in response to your comment, I think the regulatory fix is that platforms must display their platform fee clearly and separately to the publishers price. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] deafboy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Open sourcing proton wasn't due to a lawsuit. Wine and dxvk was already opensource. They couldn't have closed it even if they wanted to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Minor note about only a single point here CS2 as an “upgrade” to CSGO has been less than well received from what I can tell. If they wanted it to be free it should have been a new game and left CS:GO in place. Removing a game many of us paid for in favor of a newer, different game isn’t something that should be praised, and should be called out as the anti-consumer move it was. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago It isn't the peoples' company, but nor is it a publicly traded company that is obligated to pursue profits above all else. It's Gabe's company, and he gets to run it as he sees fit. Ultimately Wolfire's argument falls apart not because Valve is setting the terms, but because their claims about Valve's position in the industry and supposed abuse of power don't hold much water. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theonyltruemupf@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago They also make nice hardware, but they don't do that out of the goodness of their hearts of course permalink fedilink source parent [–] deafboy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago TIL: valve is run by robots. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 2 years ago All those Humble Bundles for a start. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Spedwell@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I believe it is in the Steam marketplace agreement, and applies to all games. Are you referring to sales on other platforms, or to the full listed price? permalink fedilink source parent [–] spark947@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That hasn't been my experience, could be a regional pricing thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago HumbleBundle... permalink fedilink source parent [+] Rose@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Not only that, but games you’ve actually heard of, too permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mango@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh shit. I love David Rosen. I also live GabeN... I should be the judge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spark947@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Yeah, it sucks when mommy and daddy fight. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] spark947@lemm.ee 60 points 2 years ago (2 children) David Rosen of Wolfire Games (Receiver, Overgrowth, Lugaru) is alleging that steam reps have threatened to de-list his game if he lists it as less expensive on other platforms. Specifically not just steam keys but other distribution platforms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago (6 children) Which is hard to believe, considering how many times I've bought steam games on other (legitimate) platforms that were cheaper than on steam, that are still on steam today and werent removed for being cheaper on another platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Rose@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sure, but Valve essentially reserve the right to no longer sell your game if it's offered cheaper elsewhere. See the quotes on pages 54 through 56 of the complaint. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (5 children) Which is a dick move on valves part. Remember folks, Valve isnt the peoples company. All the good things it does, it does only because of regulation pressure or lost lawsuits. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Remember folks, Valve isnt the peoples company. No corporation is "the peoples corporation", but some corporations treat their customers with a lot more respect and fairness in pricing/policies than others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yes, but people have to be reminded of that with "sweetheart" companies like AMD and Valve, because they get too deep in the koolaid and forget it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] notamechanic321@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) Fyi I like valve but im in no way sworn to them. I think the justification would probably be that if they continued listing the item: It maybe mislead consumers into paying more for the same thing The reason why people pay more in that scenario is for convenience (IE all games in the same place) but that would be exersizing valves monopoly, so it may be safer to just remove to reduce complaints to steam about the higher pricing because there will be operational cost to processing those support requests and complaints I don't feel like valve does everything because of lawsuits. Open sourcing proton wasn't due to a lawsuit. Releasing Cs2 as a free upgrade to csgo wasn't due to a lawsuit. On the other hand and in response to your comment, I think the regulatory fix is that platforms must display their platform fee clearly and separately to the publishers price. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] deafboy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Open sourcing proton wasn't due to a lawsuit. Wine and dxvk was already opensource. They couldn't have closed it even if they wanted to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Minor note about only a single point here CS2 as an “upgrade” to CSGO has been less than well received from what I can tell. If they wanted it to be free it should have been a new game and left CS:GO in place. Removing a game many of us paid for in favor of a newer, different game isn’t something that should be praised, and should be called out as the anti-consumer move it was. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago It isn't the peoples' company, but nor is it a publicly traded company that is obligated to pursue profits above all else. It's Gabe's company, and he gets to run it as he sees fit. Ultimately Wolfire's argument falls apart not because Valve is setting the terms, but because their claims about Valve's position in the industry and supposed abuse of power don't hold much water. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theonyltruemupf@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago They also make nice hardware, but they don't do that out of the goodness of their hearts of course permalink fedilink source parent [–] deafboy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago TIL: valve is run by robots. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 2 years ago All those Humble Bundles for a start. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Spedwell@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I believe it is in the Steam marketplace agreement, and applies to all games. Are you referring to sales on other platforms, or to the full listed price? permalink fedilink source parent [–] spark947@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That hasn't been my experience, could be a regional pricing thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago HumbleBundle... permalink fedilink source parent [+] Rose@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Not only that, but games you’ve actually heard of, too permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mango@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh shit. I love David Rosen. I also live GabeN... I should be the judge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spark947@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Yeah, it sucks when mommy and daddy fight. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago (6 children) Which is hard to believe, considering how many times I've bought steam games on other (legitimate) platforms that were cheaper than on steam, that are still on steam today and werent removed for being cheaper on another platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Rose@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sure, but Valve essentially reserve the right to no longer sell your game if it's offered cheaper elsewhere. See the quotes on pages 54 through 56 of the complaint. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (5 children) Which is a dick move on valves part. Remember folks, Valve isnt the peoples company. All the good things it does, it does only because of regulation pressure or lost lawsuits. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Remember folks, Valve isnt the peoples company. No corporation is "the peoples corporation", but some corporations treat their customers with a lot more respect and fairness in pricing/policies than others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yes, but people have to be reminded of that with "sweetheart" companies like AMD and Valve, because they get too deep in the koolaid and forget it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] notamechanic321@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) Fyi I like valve but im in no way sworn to them. I think the justification would probably be that if they continued listing the item: It maybe mislead consumers into paying more for the same thing The reason why people pay more in that scenario is for convenience (IE all games in the same place) but that would be exersizing valves monopoly, so it may be safer to just remove to reduce complaints to steam about the higher pricing because there will be operational cost to processing those support requests and complaints I don't feel like valve does everything because of lawsuits. Open sourcing proton wasn't due to a lawsuit. Releasing Cs2 as a free upgrade to csgo wasn't due to a lawsuit. On the other hand and in response to your comment, I think the regulatory fix is that platforms must display their platform fee clearly and separately to the publishers price. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] deafboy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Open sourcing proton wasn't due to a lawsuit. Wine and dxvk was already opensource. They couldn't have closed it even if they wanted to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Minor note about only a single point here CS2 as an “upgrade” to CSGO has been less than well received from what I can tell. If they wanted it to be free it should have been a new game and left CS:GO in place. Removing a game many of us paid for in favor of a newer, different game isn’t something that should be praised, and should be called out as the anti-consumer move it was. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago It isn't the peoples' company, but nor is it a publicly traded company that is obligated to pursue profits above all else. It's Gabe's company, and he gets to run it as he sees fit. Ultimately Wolfire's argument falls apart not because Valve is setting the terms, but because their claims about Valve's position in the industry and supposed abuse of power don't hold much water. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theonyltruemupf@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago They also make nice hardware, but they don't do that out of the goodness of their hearts of course permalink fedilink source parent [–] deafboy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago TIL: valve is run by robots. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 2 years ago All those Humble Bundles for a start. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Spedwell@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I believe it is in the Steam marketplace agreement, and applies to all games. Are you referring to sales on other platforms, or to the full listed price? permalink fedilink source parent [–] spark947@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That hasn't been my experience, could be a regional pricing thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago HumbleBundle... permalink fedilink source parent [+] Rose@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Not only that, but games you’ve actually heard of, too permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rose@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sure, but Valve essentially reserve the right to no longer sell your game if it's offered cheaper elsewhere. See the quotes on pages 54 through 56 of the complaint. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (5 children) Which is a dick move on valves part. Remember folks, Valve isnt the peoples company. All the good things it does, it does only because of regulation pressure or lost lawsuits. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Remember folks, Valve isnt the peoples company. No corporation is "the peoples corporation", but some corporations treat their customers with a lot more respect and fairness in pricing/policies than others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yes, but people have to be reminded of that with "sweetheart" companies like AMD and Valve, because they get too deep in the koolaid and forget it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] notamechanic321@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) Fyi I like valve but im in no way sworn to them. I think the justification would probably be that if they continued listing the item: It maybe mislead consumers into paying more for the same thing The reason why people pay more in that scenario is for convenience (IE all games in the same place) but that would be exersizing valves monopoly, so it may be safer to just remove to reduce complaints to steam about the higher pricing because there will be operational cost to processing those support requests and complaints I don't feel like valve does everything because of lawsuits. Open sourcing proton wasn't due to a lawsuit. Releasing Cs2 as a free upgrade to csgo wasn't due to a lawsuit. On the other hand and in response to your comment, I think the regulatory fix is that platforms must display their platform fee clearly and separately to the publishers price. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] deafboy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Open sourcing proton wasn't due to a lawsuit. Wine and dxvk was already opensource. They couldn't have closed it even if they wanted to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Minor note about only a single point here CS2 as an “upgrade” to CSGO has been less than well received from what I can tell. If they wanted it to be free it should have been a new game and left CS:GO in place. Removing a game many of us paid for in favor of a newer, different game isn’t something that should be praised, and should be called out as the anti-consumer move it was. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago It isn't the peoples' company, but nor is it a publicly traded company that is obligated to pursue profits above all else. It's Gabe's company, and he gets to run it as he sees fit. Ultimately Wolfire's argument falls apart not because Valve is setting the terms, but because their claims about Valve's position in the industry and supposed abuse of power don't hold much water. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theonyltruemupf@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago They also make nice hardware, but they don't do that out of the goodness of their hearts of course permalink fedilink source parent [–] deafboy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago TIL: valve is run by robots. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (5 children) Which is a dick move on valves part. Remember folks, Valve isnt the peoples company. All the good things it does, it does only because of regulation pressure or lost lawsuits. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Remember folks, Valve isnt the peoples company. No corporation is "the peoples corporation", but some corporations treat their customers with a lot more respect and fairness in pricing/policies than others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yes, but people have to be reminded of that with "sweetheart" companies like AMD and Valve, because they get too deep in the koolaid and forget it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] notamechanic321@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) Fyi I like valve but im in no way sworn to them. I think the justification would probably be that if they continued listing the item: It maybe mislead consumers into paying more for the same thing The reason why people pay more in that scenario is for convenience (IE all games in the same place) but that would be exersizing valves monopoly, so it may be safer to just remove to reduce complaints to steam about the higher pricing because there will be operational cost to processing those support requests and complaints I don't feel like valve does everything because of lawsuits. Open sourcing proton wasn't due to a lawsuit. Releasing Cs2 as a free upgrade to csgo wasn't due to a lawsuit. On the other hand and in response to your comment, I think the regulatory fix is that platforms must display their platform fee clearly and separately to the publishers price. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] deafboy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Open sourcing proton wasn't due to a lawsuit. Wine and dxvk was already opensource. They couldn't have closed it even if they wanted to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Minor note about only a single point here CS2 as an “upgrade” to CSGO has been less than well received from what I can tell. If they wanted it to be free it should have been a new game and left CS:GO in place. Removing a game many of us paid for in favor of a newer, different game isn’t something that should be praised, and should be called out as the anti-consumer move it was. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago It isn't the peoples' company, but nor is it a publicly traded company that is obligated to pursue profits above all else. It's Gabe's company, and he gets to run it as he sees fit. Ultimately Wolfire's argument falls apart not because Valve is setting the terms, but because their claims about Valve's position in the industry and supposed abuse of power don't hold much water. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theonyltruemupf@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago They also make nice hardware, but they don't do that out of the goodness of their hearts of course permalink fedilink source parent [–] deafboy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago TIL: valve is run by robots. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Remember folks, Valve isnt the peoples company. No corporation is "the peoples corporation", but some corporations treat their customers with a lot more respect and fairness in pricing/policies than others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yes, but people have to be reminded of that with "sweetheart" companies like AMD and Valve, because they get too deep in the koolaid and forget it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yes, but people have to be reminded of that with "sweetheart" companies like AMD and Valve, because they get too deep in the koolaid and forget it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] notamechanic321@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) Fyi I like valve but im in no way sworn to them. I think the justification would probably be that if they continued listing the item: It maybe mislead consumers into paying more for the same thing The reason why people pay more in that scenario is for convenience (IE all games in the same place) but that would be exersizing valves monopoly, so it may be safer to just remove to reduce complaints to steam about the higher pricing because there will be operational cost to processing those support requests and complaints I don't feel like valve does everything because of lawsuits. Open sourcing proton wasn't due to a lawsuit. Releasing Cs2 as a free upgrade to csgo wasn't due to a lawsuit. On the other hand and in response to your comment, I think the regulatory fix is that platforms must display their platform fee clearly and separately to the publishers price. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] deafboy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Open sourcing proton wasn't due to a lawsuit. Wine and dxvk was already opensource. They couldn't have closed it even if they wanted to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Minor note about only a single point here CS2 as an “upgrade” to CSGO has been less than well received from what I can tell. If they wanted it to be free it should have been a new game and left CS:GO in place. Removing a game many of us paid for in favor of a newer, different game isn’t something that should be praised, and should be called out as the anti-consumer move it was. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deafboy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Open sourcing proton wasn't due to a lawsuit. Wine and dxvk was already opensource. They couldn't have closed it even if they wanted to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BURN@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Minor note about only a single point here CS2 as an “upgrade” to CSGO has been less than well received from what I can tell. If they wanted it to be free it should have been a new game and left CS:GO in place. Removing a game many of us paid for in favor of a newer, different game isn’t something that should be praised, and should be called out as the anti-consumer move it was. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago It isn't the peoples' company, but nor is it a publicly traded company that is obligated to pursue profits above all else. It's Gabe's company, and he gets to run it as he sees fit. Ultimately Wolfire's argument falls apart not because Valve is setting the terms, but because their claims about Valve's position in the industry and supposed abuse of power don't hold much water. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theonyltruemupf@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago They also make nice hardware, but they don't do that out of the goodness of their hearts of course permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deafboy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago TIL: valve is run by robots. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 2 years ago All those Humble Bundles for a start. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Spedwell@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I believe it is in the Steam marketplace agreement, and applies to all games. Are you referring to sales on other platforms, or to the full listed price? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] spark947@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That hasn't been my experience, could be a regional pricing thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago HumbleBundle... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Not only that, but games you’ve actually heard of, too permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mango@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh shit. I love David Rosen. I also live GabeN... I should be the judge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spark947@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Yeah, it sucks when mommy and daddy fight. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] spark947@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Yeah, it sucks when mommy and daddy fight. permalink fedilink source parent