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[–] 37 points 7 months ago (18 children)

IDK, I'm not sold.

Neither Man nor Bear isn't presented as an option, the choices were Man or Bear so anybody who chooses Bear is CHOOSING THE BEAR. Bears are not kind to humans in their territory, if you run into a mother then you're going to be torn apart.

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  • [–] 97 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    anybody who chooses Bear is CHOOSING THE BEAR

    But she's getting both. Big brown bear and insufferably smug, demonstrably useless, petty and vindictive man.

    Bears are not kind to humans in their territory

    Bears generally leave you alone unless you've got food and they're hungry... at which point, just give them your food and you'll be fine. Despite millions of humans living in historical bear territory, you get only 2-5 actual attacks reported per year.

    Men can't make this claim.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

    There have been 3 black bear attacks in the USA this year, all three fatal, and one brown bear attack, also fatal. I might also be missing some nonfatal attacks since theres not a well maintained list for those. Humans also generally leave you alone if you're not in their immediate vicinity, I think it warrants assuming you're not just on the same mountain as the bear.

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  • [–] 60 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    There have been 3 bear attacks in the USA this year, all three fatal.

    Now do men.

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  • [–] 45 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    There were 3,849 women murdered in the US in 2023. But it does not list who killed them.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1388777/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-gender/

    in 2021, 147 women were killed by 144 men.

    https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2024/07/04/census-details-how-often-men-kill-women

    using the lower number from 2021, and the bear fatalities from the same year (6 total, only 4 were women), women are 36.5 times more likely to be killed by a man than a bear... and this is not counting rape.

    Bear attacks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    You didn't figure in factors like number of men total or number of bears total, and the amount of exposure to either.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    You are such an asshole.

    I'm not the first to say that, not the last, but you need to be reminded of that constantly.

    Fuck you, fuck your bad faith arguments, and go away.

    You are also the reason why people choose bears.

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  • [–] 33 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Your mind is going to be blown when you find out about the number of man attacks this year.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Better yet, what about Mosquitos?

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    How many thousands of men have you interacted with and yet are still alive? Are you seriously suggesting you could interact with thousands of bears and have the same success rate? You're manipulating the numbers in a very dishonest way.

    Nobody is scared of vending machines even though they kill more people than sharks, not because sharks are safer, but because almost nobody interacts with a shark but almost everyone has many safe interactions with a vending machine.

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  • [–] 42 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    Too lazy to look through my post history but iirc men are MUCH more likely to kill someone than a bear, adjusted for population. You can search through it if you’d like. Men are much more violent than bears.

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    See that's actually not true, because there are more men total than bears total and people are generally much more exposed to men than bears. Let's say you go to a city and walk past a hundred people. Bears are safer, so you'd be perfectly justified to walk past a hundred bears?

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  • [–] 34 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    I don’t think you understand what adjusted for population means. Bears kill like 2.6 people a year.

    Humans kill ~11,000 times as many, and have 100 times the population. So humans are 110x more likely to kill you than a bear. (Note this is humans, not men. Men are responsible for 87.5% of known murders, but 50% of the population.) Adjusting for this, men are ~145 to 200x more likely to kill a human than a bear (like a quarter of murders are unknown so I gave it a wide range) You also have to take into account humans are generally bound by society and thus most human interaction won’t be as dangerous where as it’s not like a bears gonna be like “uh oh there are cameras here or other people might see me kill this person” so like… yeah you can’t perfectly account for everything but uh, point being bears really aren’t that dangerous if you see one alone in the woods.

    Also sorry if I didn’t provide links and math might be slightly whatever I was taking and shit and honestly don’t care that much.

    Edit: and before you try and say anything else please note this is me being nice and only looking at literal murder. Ignoring assault and sexual assault and etc, which all bear attacks are about 35 a year total and… yeah human numbers are uh, MUCH higher.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    This ignores exposure time though which is a huge factor, and makes the comparison disingenuous.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago*

    It absolutely doesn't. The original question is about if you would prefer to be alone in a forest with a bear vs. with a man - it's not would you like to interact with a bear vs. a man. People are alone in the forest with bears all the time - neither the bear nor the person knowing the other is there beyond an abstract concept. Heck, I'm alone in a forest with several bears every time I take my recycling out. I wouldn't choose to interact with a bear, but I do know that there's no circumstance in which the bear is going to come and seek me out (barring obnoxiously tedious rare exceptions like rabies or famine or something equally too uncommon to be relevant).

    People do seek out other people, all the time. If it knows I'm there, the average bear wants nothing more than to avoid me as much as it can - the average man wants to do that significantly less, if only because they're seeking the company of another human.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    So, certain death is preferable to meeting the average male randomly in the woods, in other words, the average woman believes the average man will rape and kill her. That's all we need to say about male/female relations in 2026.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    I know it's a novelty account but you're still just being obnoxious and spreading hate under the guise of satire.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    The entire argument of a woman meeting a bear or a random man in the woods is dumb from the start.

    Most bears would run away from a human in the woods, a normal human is not seen as prey in most situations.

    So this makes the argument more like asking:

    Would you rather catch a glimpse of a bear in the woods or meet a random man in the woods?

    Which makes far more sense both logically and emotionally, especially when people pick the bear over the man.

    As a man, the original question about meeting a man or a bear in the woods, initially triggered a feeling of being compared to a lethal animal or certain death, and coming up short.

    This obviously feels unfair to most men (and to be completely fair, it IS completely unfair to most men).

    However, looking at the more realistic outcome of "meeting" a bear, i.e. catching a glimpse of it, it makes far more sense.

    Sorry for the ramble, I am just annoyed at the stupid question and got caught up overanalyzing it.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    To be fair, I don't think the meme question ever specified what kind of bear they're going to meet in the woods. I know my answer would change drastically based on the type of bear.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago

    And I will always choose the bear I will always choose the wolves No matter what they do, they wouldn't blame my clothes I would rather choose to die Let my body decompose Cause even when you're ash, thеy will never let you go

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