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[–] 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

There have been 3 black bear attacks in the USA this year, all three fatal, and one brown bear attack, also fatal. I might also be missing some nonfatal attacks since theres not a well maintained list for those. Humans also generally leave you alone if you're not in their immediate vicinity, I think it warrants assuming you're not just on the same mountain as the bear.

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  • [–] 60 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    There have been 3 bear attacks in the USA this year, all three fatal.

    Now do men.

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  • [–] 45 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    There were 3,849 women murdered in the US in 2023. But it does not list who killed them.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1388777/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-gender/

    in 2021, 147 women were killed by 144 men.

    https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2024/07/04/census-details-how-often-men-kill-women

    using the lower number from 2021, and the bear fatalities from the same year (6 total, only 4 were women), women are 36.5 times more likely to be killed by a man than a bear... and this is not counting rape.

    Bear attacks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    You didn't figure in factors like number of men total or number of bears total, and the amount of exposure to either.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    You are such an asshole.

    I'm not the first to say that, not the last, but you need to be reminded of that constantly.

    Fuck you, fuck your bad faith arguments, and go away.

    You are also the reason why people choose bears.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    There were 3,849 women murdered in the US in 2023

    Murder isn't the only way to be killed. Case in point, 2,958 women's deaths are classified as "passenger vehicle accidents", plus another 2,126 pedestrian deaths.

    By gender, the overwhelming majority of accident drivers are men (13,085 : 5,212). So if you're worried specifically about dying and you exclude all murderers, just getting in a car makes other male drivers vastly more dangerous than bears.

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  • [–] 33 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Your mind is going to be blown when you find out about the number of man attacks this year.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Better yet, what about Mosquitos?

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Probably a bad example for your case of being an obtuse asshole almost every time any subject comes up (we recognize our own.)

    Mosquitos are incredibly deadly to humans but they're also like hundreds of trillions of them at any given time, so an average mosquito is still significantly less dangerous to a woman than an average man.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (2 children)
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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I bet even male toddlers killed more people in the us

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    you get only 2-5 *actual attacks* reported per year.

    There have been 3 black bear attacks in the USA this year, all three fatal, and one brown bear attack, also fatal.

    And is 3 + 1 within the range [2, 5]? I know it's a tough question, but I have faith you can manage to figure it out!

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Four is between two and five, though? Which is exactly what they said?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Are you telling me that's not enough death to warrant caution? Imagine if there were 170 Million Bears, maybe thats a better visual for you to compare.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago* (12 children)

    Are you really trying to present this argument as people saying you shouldn't be cautious around bears? Have you lived around bears? Yeah, be cautious around bears - but that caution takes the form of "make sure you don't surprise the bear". Bears don't want to be involved with you any more than you want to be involved with them. They will avoid you.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Yet men killing a shit ton more women than that per year isn’t a good enough reason to warrant caution? Statistically the bear is still safer.

    Edit: You also don’t have to falsely inflate the population of men to create a hyperbolic fantasy situation to justify choosing the bear.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Explain how the bear is statistically safer; you would need to factor in not just total incidences, but total interactions, otherwise it's a sharpshooter fallacy.

    The average woman likely has tens of thousands of hours with strange men and no incident, and it would be extremely surprising that the bear stats would be better than that.

    I wouldn't be surprised that even if you only selected men convicted of violence on women, the bears would still be statistically more dangerous (or it would at least be a somewhat close comparison).

    This is getting into the weeds a bit though and not really in the spirit of the original question.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Women existing in public: https://www.tiktok.com/@specere/video/7472932570162924831

    It doesn't matter if there is a bus full of men and only one is a creep. The woman isn't going to remember the 99 men who left her alone, she's going to remember the 1 that stared at her the whole time.

    If this was your experience every day it would not be surprising at all to not want to be around a random man.

    Not all men are creeps, but all women have been creeped on.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago*

    I can't tell if this a serious comment. There were only three in the entire United States? God damn dude, maybe I'll take the bear as well... And I'm a guy.

    I guess you've sold us all on how much better the bear is. For the record, I encountered a bear earlier this year and yelled at it. It walked away.

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