▲ 155 ▼ European Commission preparing token gesture for angry gamers and game developers (www.euractiv.com) submitted 1 year ago* by Davriellelouna@lemmy.world to c/games@lemmy.world 38 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -42 points 1 year ago (6 children) Did anyone actually expect the EU to regulate a multibillion dollar industry because it's trending on social media? permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] atro_city@fedia.io 69 points 1 year ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -20 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean to encourage people to actually do something as sharing a post on social media isn't activism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] atro_city@fedia.io 29 points 1 year ago (1 child) No of course not. Only what you approve as activism is activism 👌 And using official channels is certainly not activism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -16 points 1 year ago (1 child) using official channels is certainly not activism. Isn't that called "lobbying"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] atro_city@fedia.io 18 points 1 year ago (1 child) TIL voting is lobbying permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Voting is activism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Discussion on the internet is dead. You ask a question and people respond with meme pictures and downvotes instead of a point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Only when someone is talking in good faith, which you clearly aren't. Begone, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 year ago (1 child) How? I genuinely believe something along the lines of an organized boycott would be far more impactful than a hail mary petition. The reason I think it wouldn't work is because most people couldn't commit. That's why I said this isn't activism. It's not activism if you're not putting in any effort. I don't care if people downvote me, but at least post an actual opinion. Have an actual stance. I'm glad others have posted some, although all of them seem to be along the lines of "this petition will definitely fix everything so we don't need to try anything else". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) What even is your point? Besides "I don't like this thing so I'm going to shit on it"? You've made no actual arguments against the initiative. All you've said is that it doesn't work (technically you haven't even said this, at best you've implied) and I could just as easily say that about your boycott "solution" as well. You have no point. You're just shit stirring. That's why you're a bad faith troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) My point is that the movement should be doing more than just signing an online petition. What happens if the EU parliament declines to make any changes? Nothing? Oh well we tried? What will you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Okay, so what more should we do? Boycott somehow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) atro_city said it well: If the SKG movement doesn't organise, that's all we'll get: a communiqué to shut the hell up. Over a million Europeans have signed a petition in less than a month. Why only Europeans? Big ecelebs like PewDiePie and Critikal have made videos on this. It's got a lot of people interested. Why not get everyone in on something more direct? Something international? Why does the world need to sit and wait and hope the EU parliament fixes everything? It seems like a waste of momentum. It needs to be more than just a European petition. A call to boycott the worst companies until they change their EULA and TOS would be a great start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Well, if you had been here since the start you'd know that Ross started SKG by having multiple petitions around the globe. The EU initiative is one the last (if not the last) petition he pushed for. For Australia and Canada the ship already sailed, Australia said no and Canada gave a roundabout no. Ross didn't even try in the US because the US is such a lost cause there's nothing to even petition for. I don't remember what happened with Brazil but it was on Ross's radar. Most other countries would simply be too small to have an impact on the global scale. Which is why the last two bastions left are the UK and the EU, because the haven't said outright "No" yet and they're big enough to influence the market. The rest of the world has to wait because the other influential parts of the world have already failed. As for a boycott, you're free to start organizing one. I see that as a lost cause. If we can barely get 1 million Europeans to do the bare minimum of signing one petition I don't see how you're going to get 10+ million people across the globe to do more than the bare minimum for who knows how long. Boycotts don't work because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. I've seen different groups of people boycott Ubisoft for 20 years now and I personally had boycotted them for about a decade, it had no impact as Ubisoft made even more profits despite the different boycotts. Modern Warfare 2 boycott had no impact on the removal of dedicated servers. People even boycotted Valve when Steam launched and that did nothing. Boycotts have only had very limited consumer rights successes in individual games, like EA removing pay to win mechanics from Battlefront 2. Meanwhile Australia ended up made Steam to offer refunds to everyone and Belgium and Netherlands restrictions on lootboxes has noticeably reduced their usage in games. You're free to prove to me wrong but government actions end up being far more successful than boycotts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. Then why would any government care? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* As evident from Australia, Canada and the US, every government does not care. There's no guarantee that the EU commission will care either, but because we've (hopefully) met their pretty significant requirement they have to care enough to address it. And in an ideal society they would have to care because the government is for the people and enough people have voiced their concern. Also considering there's at least one prominent EU parliament politician showing public support it's bound to get a bit more political attention than just a simple "No" that we've seen so far. permalink fedilink source parent [–] highduc@lemmy.ml 63 points 1 year ago (1 child) Lol what a hot take. No, we expect them to regulate a multi-billion dollar industry because that's what governments do. Healthcare is a multi billion dollar industry. So is agriculture, and many others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com -20 points 1 year ago (2 children) healthcare: lives & health at stake agriculture: environment & health at stake video games: ? one of these is not like the others sorry, bruh: on a scale from critically important to idgaf, this ain't ranking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago What you're missing is that after Brexit the EU is desperate to appear to citizens that they're listening and this would be such an easy win that yeah, I really expected them to not only listen but actually get their fingers out of their collective arseholes and do something about it. Blah blah funding. Sure, start by targeting games that sell over X units or Y euros in revenue. If the article is correct then it's a massive missed opportunity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Katana314@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Even if it’s literally just “money at stake” some countries would have reason to be concerned - because so many zero-IQ MBAs are pushing industries into a hot crash for short term gains that bankrupt any long term growth. Gamers having no faith that the games they buy remain theirs is one of many things that can drive down spending; though it will never happen on such a granular scale publishers would take action on it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] scintilla@kbin.earth 33 points 1 year ago (1 child) Have you read what a citizens initiative is? Have you read about the other successful ones? or do you just spew bullshit online before reading more deeply? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -11 points 1 year ago (1 child) Give me an example of a "successful one". I've read only two initiatives have lead to law changes. One on the minimum cage sizes for farm animals being slightly bigger and one on banning pesticides that ended up with slightly more oversight on their use. All the others that passed only resulted in a statement by the government with no legal changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nyctre@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago That's 2 out of 10, not some hundreds. So if we're going by the odds, SKG has a 1 in 5 chance of getting a law passed. Better than nothing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago They made it further than my country ever will. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gaylactus@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not... You are aware that, the EU has been famously known for applying huge penalty fines to big tech companies, including Google and Apple, and that even Valve, was targeted for an antitrust lawsuit, that lost? Are you also aware that the EU forced Apple to standardized their power cables to use USB-C only, which caused Apple to lose a fair amount of money, because now they will profit less from selling licenses to cable manufacturers. The license costs $99, which is really nothing special but for each connector, the cable manufacturer has to pay Apple $4. This is a huge business for Apple, and that the EU completely shot down. The decreased cable lifespan prompted people to buy new cables more often, generating more profit for Apple. Additionally, Apple earned money by licensing third-party manufacturers who wanted to sell cables under the "Made for iPhones" (MFi) program. The commission and licensing fees constituted a significant portion of Apple's cable-related revenue, totalling a substantial 10 billion dollars Did you knew that in the EU, the minimum warranty for any electronic device, is at least 3 years, which can be even higher depending on each member state own laws? From your perspective, this alone, might represent a 200% decrease in revenue, when compared to countries that only provide a 1 year warranty. How is this being pro corporations? I will say this in the most respectfully way I can, but you're full of shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago Which petitions were those actions caused by? permalink fedilink source parent [+] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com -25 points 1 year ago Nope, and the suckers who did can suck big, fat ones. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] atro_city@fedia.io 69 points 1 year ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -20 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean to encourage people to actually do something as sharing a post on social media isn't activism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] atro_city@fedia.io 29 points 1 year ago (1 child) No of course not. Only what you approve as activism is activism 👌 And using official channels is certainly not activism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -16 points 1 year ago (1 child) using official channels is certainly not activism. Isn't that called "lobbying"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] atro_city@fedia.io 18 points 1 year ago (1 child) TIL voting is lobbying permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Voting is activism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Discussion on the internet is dead. You ask a question and people respond with meme pictures and downvotes instead of a point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Only when someone is talking in good faith, which you clearly aren't. Begone, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 year ago (1 child) How? I genuinely believe something along the lines of an organized boycott would be far more impactful than a hail mary petition. The reason I think it wouldn't work is because most people couldn't commit. That's why I said this isn't activism. It's not activism if you're not putting in any effort. I don't care if people downvote me, but at least post an actual opinion. Have an actual stance. I'm glad others have posted some, although all of them seem to be along the lines of "this petition will definitely fix everything so we don't need to try anything else". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) What even is your point? Besides "I don't like this thing so I'm going to shit on it"? You've made no actual arguments against the initiative. All you've said is that it doesn't work (technically you haven't even said this, at best you've implied) and I could just as easily say that about your boycott "solution" as well. You have no point. You're just shit stirring. That's why you're a bad faith troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) My point is that the movement should be doing more than just signing an online petition. What happens if the EU parliament declines to make any changes? Nothing? Oh well we tried? What will you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Okay, so what more should we do? Boycott somehow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) atro_city said it well: If the SKG movement doesn't organise, that's all we'll get: a communiqué to shut the hell up. Over a million Europeans have signed a petition in less than a month. Why only Europeans? Big ecelebs like PewDiePie and Critikal have made videos on this. It's got a lot of people interested. Why not get everyone in on something more direct? Something international? Why does the world need to sit and wait and hope the EU parliament fixes everything? It seems like a waste of momentum. It needs to be more than just a European petition. A call to boycott the worst companies until they change their EULA and TOS would be a great start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Well, if you had been here since the start you'd know that Ross started SKG by having multiple petitions around the globe. The EU initiative is one the last (if not the last) petition he pushed for. For Australia and Canada the ship already sailed, Australia said no and Canada gave a roundabout no. Ross didn't even try in the US because the US is such a lost cause there's nothing to even petition for. I don't remember what happened with Brazil but it was on Ross's radar. Most other countries would simply be too small to have an impact on the global scale. Which is why the last two bastions left are the UK and the EU, because the haven't said outright "No" yet and they're big enough to influence the market. The rest of the world has to wait because the other influential parts of the world have already failed. As for a boycott, you're free to start organizing one. I see that as a lost cause. If we can barely get 1 million Europeans to do the bare minimum of signing one petition I don't see how you're going to get 10+ million people across the globe to do more than the bare minimum for who knows how long. Boycotts don't work because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. I've seen different groups of people boycott Ubisoft for 20 years now and I personally had boycotted them for about a decade, it had no impact as Ubisoft made even more profits despite the different boycotts. Modern Warfare 2 boycott had no impact on the removal of dedicated servers. People even boycotted Valve when Steam launched and that did nothing. Boycotts have only had very limited consumer rights successes in individual games, like EA removing pay to win mechanics from Battlefront 2. Meanwhile Australia ended up made Steam to offer refunds to everyone and Belgium and Netherlands restrictions on lootboxes has noticeably reduced their usage in games. You're free to prove to me wrong but government actions end up being far more successful than boycotts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. Then why would any government care? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* As evident from Australia, Canada and the US, every government does not care. There's no guarantee that the EU commission will care either, but because we've (hopefully) met their pretty significant requirement they have to care enough to address it. And in an ideal society they would have to care because the government is for the people and enough people have voiced their concern. Also considering there's at least one prominent EU parliament politician showing public support it's bound to get a bit more political attention than just a simple "No" that we've seen so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -20 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean to encourage people to actually do something as sharing a post on social media isn't activism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] atro_city@fedia.io 29 points 1 year ago (1 child) No of course not. Only what you approve as activism is activism 👌 And using official channels is certainly not activism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -16 points 1 year ago (1 child) using official channels is certainly not activism. Isn't that called "lobbying"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] atro_city@fedia.io 18 points 1 year ago (1 child) TIL voting is lobbying permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Voting is activism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Discussion on the internet is dead. You ask a question and people respond with meme pictures and downvotes instead of a point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Only when someone is talking in good faith, which you clearly aren't. Begone, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 year ago (1 child) How? I genuinely believe something along the lines of an organized boycott would be far more impactful than a hail mary petition. The reason I think it wouldn't work is because most people couldn't commit. That's why I said this isn't activism. It's not activism if you're not putting in any effort. I don't care if people downvote me, but at least post an actual opinion. Have an actual stance. I'm glad others have posted some, although all of them seem to be along the lines of "this petition will definitely fix everything so we don't need to try anything else". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) What even is your point? Besides "I don't like this thing so I'm going to shit on it"? You've made no actual arguments against the initiative. All you've said is that it doesn't work (technically you haven't even said this, at best you've implied) and I could just as easily say that about your boycott "solution" as well. You have no point. You're just shit stirring. That's why you're a bad faith troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) My point is that the movement should be doing more than just signing an online petition. What happens if the EU parliament declines to make any changes? Nothing? Oh well we tried? What will you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Okay, so what more should we do? Boycott somehow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) atro_city said it well: If the SKG movement doesn't organise, that's all we'll get: a communiqué to shut the hell up. Over a million Europeans have signed a petition in less than a month. Why only Europeans? Big ecelebs like PewDiePie and Critikal have made videos on this. It's got a lot of people interested. Why not get everyone in on something more direct? Something international? Why does the world need to sit and wait and hope the EU parliament fixes everything? It seems like a waste of momentum. It needs to be more than just a European petition. A call to boycott the worst companies until they change their EULA and TOS would be a great start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Well, if you had been here since the start you'd know that Ross started SKG by having multiple petitions around the globe. The EU initiative is one the last (if not the last) petition he pushed for. For Australia and Canada the ship already sailed, Australia said no and Canada gave a roundabout no. Ross didn't even try in the US because the US is such a lost cause there's nothing to even petition for. I don't remember what happened with Brazil but it was on Ross's radar. Most other countries would simply be too small to have an impact on the global scale. Which is why the last two bastions left are the UK and the EU, because the haven't said outright "No" yet and they're big enough to influence the market. The rest of the world has to wait because the other influential parts of the world have already failed. As for a boycott, you're free to start organizing one. I see that as a lost cause. If we can barely get 1 million Europeans to do the bare minimum of signing one petition I don't see how you're going to get 10+ million people across the globe to do more than the bare minimum for who knows how long. Boycotts don't work because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. I've seen different groups of people boycott Ubisoft for 20 years now and I personally had boycotted them for about a decade, it had no impact as Ubisoft made even more profits despite the different boycotts. Modern Warfare 2 boycott had no impact on the removal of dedicated servers. People even boycotted Valve when Steam launched and that did nothing. Boycotts have only had very limited consumer rights successes in individual games, like EA removing pay to win mechanics from Battlefront 2. Meanwhile Australia ended up made Steam to offer refunds to everyone and Belgium and Netherlands restrictions on lootboxes has noticeably reduced their usage in games. You're free to prove to me wrong but government actions end up being far more successful than boycotts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. Then why would any government care? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* As evident from Australia, Canada and the US, every government does not care. There's no guarantee that the EU commission will care either, but because we've (hopefully) met their pretty significant requirement they have to care enough to address it. And in an ideal society they would have to care because the government is for the people and enough people have voiced their concern. Also considering there's at least one prominent EU parliament politician showing public support it's bound to get a bit more political attention than just a simple "No" that we've seen so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] atro_city@fedia.io 29 points 1 year ago (1 child) No of course not. Only what you approve as activism is activism 👌 And using official channels is certainly not activism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -16 points 1 year ago (1 child) using official channels is certainly not activism. Isn't that called "lobbying"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] atro_city@fedia.io 18 points 1 year ago (1 child) TIL voting is lobbying permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Voting is activism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Discussion on the internet is dead. You ask a question and people respond with meme pictures and downvotes instead of a point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Only when someone is talking in good faith, which you clearly aren't. Begone, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 year ago (1 child) How? I genuinely believe something along the lines of an organized boycott would be far more impactful than a hail mary petition. The reason I think it wouldn't work is because most people couldn't commit. That's why I said this isn't activism. It's not activism if you're not putting in any effort. I don't care if people downvote me, but at least post an actual opinion. Have an actual stance. I'm glad others have posted some, although all of them seem to be along the lines of "this petition will definitely fix everything so we don't need to try anything else". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) What even is your point? Besides "I don't like this thing so I'm going to shit on it"? You've made no actual arguments against the initiative. All you've said is that it doesn't work (technically you haven't even said this, at best you've implied) and I could just as easily say that about your boycott "solution" as well. You have no point. You're just shit stirring. That's why you're a bad faith troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) My point is that the movement should be doing more than just signing an online petition. What happens if the EU parliament declines to make any changes? Nothing? Oh well we tried? What will you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Okay, so what more should we do? Boycott somehow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) atro_city said it well: If the SKG movement doesn't organise, that's all we'll get: a communiqué to shut the hell up. Over a million Europeans have signed a petition in less than a month. Why only Europeans? Big ecelebs like PewDiePie and Critikal have made videos on this. It's got a lot of people interested. Why not get everyone in on something more direct? Something international? Why does the world need to sit and wait and hope the EU parliament fixes everything? It seems like a waste of momentum. It needs to be more than just a European petition. A call to boycott the worst companies until they change their EULA and TOS would be a great start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Well, if you had been here since the start you'd know that Ross started SKG by having multiple petitions around the globe. The EU initiative is one the last (if not the last) petition he pushed for. For Australia and Canada the ship already sailed, Australia said no and Canada gave a roundabout no. Ross didn't even try in the US because the US is such a lost cause there's nothing to even petition for. I don't remember what happened with Brazil but it was on Ross's radar. Most other countries would simply be too small to have an impact on the global scale. Which is why the last two bastions left are the UK and the EU, because the haven't said outright "No" yet and they're big enough to influence the market. The rest of the world has to wait because the other influential parts of the world have already failed. As for a boycott, you're free to start organizing one. I see that as a lost cause. If we can barely get 1 million Europeans to do the bare minimum of signing one petition I don't see how you're going to get 10+ million people across the globe to do more than the bare minimum for who knows how long. Boycotts don't work because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. I've seen different groups of people boycott Ubisoft for 20 years now and I personally had boycotted them for about a decade, it had no impact as Ubisoft made even more profits despite the different boycotts. Modern Warfare 2 boycott had no impact on the removal of dedicated servers. People even boycotted Valve when Steam launched and that did nothing. Boycotts have only had very limited consumer rights successes in individual games, like EA removing pay to win mechanics from Battlefront 2. Meanwhile Australia ended up made Steam to offer refunds to everyone and Belgium and Netherlands restrictions on lootboxes has noticeably reduced their usage in games. You're free to prove to me wrong but government actions end up being far more successful than boycotts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. Then why would any government care? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* As evident from Australia, Canada and the US, every government does not care. There's no guarantee that the EU commission will care either, but because we've (hopefully) met their pretty significant requirement they have to care enough to address it. And in an ideal society they would have to care because the government is for the people and enough people have voiced their concern. Also considering there's at least one prominent EU parliament politician showing public support it's bound to get a bit more political attention than just a simple "No" that we've seen so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -16 points 1 year ago (1 child) using official channels is certainly not activism. Isn't that called "lobbying"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] atro_city@fedia.io 18 points 1 year ago (1 child) TIL voting is lobbying permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Voting is activism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Discussion on the internet is dead. You ask a question and people respond with meme pictures and downvotes instead of a point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Only when someone is talking in good faith, which you clearly aren't. Begone, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 year ago (1 child) How? I genuinely believe something along the lines of an organized boycott would be far more impactful than a hail mary petition. The reason I think it wouldn't work is because most people couldn't commit. That's why I said this isn't activism. It's not activism if you're not putting in any effort. I don't care if people downvote me, but at least post an actual opinion. Have an actual stance. I'm glad others have posted some, although all of them seem to be along the lines of "this petition will definitely fix everything so we don't need to try anything else". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) What even is your point? Besides "I don't like this thing so I'm going to shit on it"? You've made no actual arguments against the initiative. All you've said is that it doesn't work (technically you haven't even said this, at best you've implied) and I could just as easily say that about your boycott "solution" as well. You have no point. You're just shit stirring. That's why you're a bad faith troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) My point is that the movement should be doing more than just signing an online petition. What happens if the EU parliament declines to make any changes? Nothing? Oh well we tried? What will you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Okay, so what more should we do? Boycott somehow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) atro_city said it well: If the SKG movement doesn't organise, that's all we'll get: a communiqué to shut the hell up. Over a million Europeans have signed a petition in less than a month. Why only Europeans? Big ecelebs like PewDiePie and Critikal have made videos on this. It's got a lot of people interested. Why not get everyone in on something more direct? Something international? Why does the world need to sit and wait and hope the EU parliament fixes everything? It seems like a waste of momentum. It needs to be more than just a European petition. A call to boycott the worst companies until they change their EULA and TOS would be a great start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Well, if you had been here since the start you'd know that Ross started SKG by having multiple petitions around the globe. The EU initiative is one the last (if not the last) petition he pushed for. For Australia and Canada the ship already sailed, Australia said no and Canada gave a roundabout no. Ross didn't even try in the US because the US is such a lost cause there's nothing to even petition for. I don't remember what happened with Brazil but it was on Ross's radar. Most other countries would simply be too small to have an impact on the global scale. Which is why the last two bastions left are the UK and the EU, because the haven't said outright "No" yet and they're big enough to influence the market. The rest of the world has to wait because the other influential parts of the world have already failed. As for a boycott, you're free to start organizing one. I see that as a lost cause. If we can barely get 1 million Europeans to do the bare minimum of signing one petition I don't see how you're going to get 10+ million people across the globe to do more than the bare minimum for who knows how long. Boycotts don't work because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. I've seen different groups of people boycott Ubisoft for 20 years now and I personally had boycotted them for about a decade, it had no impact as Ubisoft made even more profits despite the different boycotts. Modern Warfare 2 boycott had no impact on the removal of dedicated servers. People even boycotted Valve when Steam launched and that did nothing. Boycotts have only had very limited consumer rights successes in individual games, like EA removing pay to win mechanics from Battlefront 2. Meanwhile Australia ended up made Steam to offer refunds to everyone and Belgium and Netherlands restrictions on lootboxes has noticeably reduced their usage in games. You're free to prove to me wrong but government actions end up being far more successful than boycotts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. Then why would any government care? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* As evident from Australia, Canada and the US, every government does not care. There's no guarantee that the EU commission will care either, but because we've (hopefully) met their pretty significant requirement they have to care enough to address it. And in an ideal society they would have to care because the government is for the people and enough people have voiced their concern. Also considering there's at least one prominent EU parliament politician showing public support it's bound to get a bit more political attention than just a simple "No" that we've seen so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] atro_city@fedia.io 18 points 1 year ago (1 child) TIL voting is lobbying permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Voting is activism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Discussion on the internet is dead. You ask a question and people respond with meme pictures and downvotes instead of a point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Only when someone is talking in good faith, which you clearly aren't. Begone, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 year ago (1 child) How? I genuinely believe something along the lines of an organized boycott would be far more impactful than a hail mary petition. The reason I think it wouldn't work is because most people couldn't commit. That's why I said this isn't activism. It's not activism if you're not putting in any effort. I don't care if people downvote me, but at least post an actual opinion. Have an actual stance. I'm glad others have posted some, although all of them seem to be along the lines of "this petition will definitely fix everything so we don't need to try anything else". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) What even is your point? Besides "I don't like this thing so I'm going to shit on it"? You've made no actual arguments against the initiative. All you've said is that it doesn't work (technically you haven't even said this, at best you've implied) and I could just as easily say that about your boycott "solution" as well. You have no point. You're just shit stirring. That's why you're a bad faith troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) My point is that the movement should be doing more than just signing an online petition. What happens if the EU parliament declines to make any changes? Nothing? Oh well we tried? What will you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Okay, so what more should we do? Boycott somehow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) atro_city said it well: If the SKG movement doesn't organise, that's all we'll get: a communiqué to shut the hell up. Over a million Europeans have signed a petition in less than a month. Why only Europeans? Big ecelebs like PewDiePie and Critikal have made videos on this. It's got a lot of people interested. Why not get everyone in on something more direct? Something international? Why does the world need to sit and wait and hope the EU parliament fixes everything? It seems like a waste of momentum. It needs to be more than just a European petition. A call to boycott the worst companies until they change their EULA and TOS would be a great start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Well, if you had been here since the start you'd know that Ross started SKG by having multiple petitions around the globe. The EU initiative is one the last (if not the last) petition he pushed for. For Australia and Canada the ship already sailed, Australia said no and Canada gave a roundabout no. Ross didn't even try in the US because the US is such a lost cause there's nothing to even petition for. I don't remember what happened with Brazil but it was on Ross's radar. Most other countries would simply be too small to have an impact on the global scale. Which is why the last two bastions left are the UK and the EU, because the haven't said outright "No" yet and they're big enough to influence the market. The rest of the world has to wait because the other influential parts of the world have already failed. As for a boycott, you're free to start organizing one. I see that as a lost cause. If we can barely get 1 million Europeans to do the bare minimum of signing one petition I don't see how you're going to get 10+ million people across the globe to do more than the bare minimum for who knows how long. Boycotts don't work because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. I've seen different groups of people boycott Ubisoft for 20 years now and I personally had boycotted them for about a decade, it had no impact as Ubisoft made even more profits despite the different boycotts. Modern Warfare 2 boycott had no impact on the removal of dedicated servers. People even boycotted Valve when Steam launched and that did nothing. Boycotts have only had very limited consumer rights successes in individual games, like EA removing pay to win mechanics from Battlefront 2. Meanwhile Australia ended up made Steam to offer refunds to everyone and Belgium and Netherlands restrictions on lootboxes has noticeably reduced their usage in games. You're free to prove to me wrong but government actions end up being far more successful than boycotts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. Then why would any government care? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* As evident from Australia, Canada and the US, every government does not care. There's no guarantee that the EU commission will care either, but because we've (hopefully) met their pretty significant requirement they have to care enough to address it. And in an ideal society they would have to care because the government is for the people and enough people have voiced their concern. Also considering there's at least one prominent EU parliament politician showing public support it's bound to get a bit more political attention than just a simple "No" that we've seen so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -10 points 1 year ago (1 child) Voting is activism? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Discussion on the internet is dead. You ask a question and people respond with meme pictures and downvotes instead of a point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Only when someone is talking in good faith, which you clearly aren't. Begone, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 year ago (1 child) How? I genuinely believe something along the lines of an organized boycott would be far more impactful than a hail mary petition. The reason I think it wouldn't work is because most people couldn't commit. That's why I said this isn't activism. It's not activism if you're not putting in any effort. I don't care if people downvote me, but at least post an actual opinion. Have an actual stance. I'm glad others have posted some, although all of them seem to be along the lines of "this petition will definitely fix everything so we don't need to try anything else". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) What even is your point? Besides "I don't like this thing so I'm going to shit on it"? You've made no actual arguments against the initiative. All you've said is that it doesn't work (technically you haven't even said this, at best you've implied) and I could just as easily say that about your boycott "solution" as well. You have no point. You're just shit stirring. That's why you're a bad faith troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) My point is that the movement should be doing more than just signing an online petition. What happens if the EU parliament declines to make any changes? Nothing? Oh well we tried? What will you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Okay, so what more should we do? Boycott somehow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) atro_city said it well: If the SKG movement doesn't organise, that's all we'll get: a communiqué to shut the hell up. Over a million Europeans have signed a petition in less than a month. Why only Europeans? Big ecelebs like PewDiePie and Critikal have made videos on this. It's got a lot of people interested. Why not get everyone in on something more direct? Something international? Why does the world need to sit and wait and hope the EU parliament fixes everything? It seems like a waste of momentum. It needs to be more than just a European petition. A call to boycott the worst companies until they change their EULA and TOS would be a great start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Well, if you had been here since the start you'd know that Ross started SKG by having multiple petitions around the globe. The EU initiative is one the last (if not the last) petition he pushed for. For Australia and Canada the ship already sailed, Australia said no and Canada gave a roundabout no. Ross didn't even try in the US because the US is such a lost cause there's nothing to even petition for. I don't remember what happened with Brazil but it was on Ross's radar. Most other countries would simply be too small to have an impact on the global scale. Which is why the last two bastions left are the UK and the EU, because the haven't said outright "No" yet and they're big enough to influence the market. The rest of the world has to wait because the other influential parts of the world have already failed. As for a boycott, you're free to start organizing one. I see that as a lost cause. If we can barely get 1 million Europeans to do the bare minimum of signing one petition I don't see how you're going to get 10+ million people across the globe to do more than the bare minimum for who knows how long. Boycotts don't work because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. I've seen different groups of people boycott Ubisoft for 20 years now and I personally had boycotted them for about a decade, it had no impact as Ubisoft made even more profits despite the different boycotts. Modern Warfare 2 boycott had no impact on the removal of dedicated servers. People even boycotted Valve when Steam launched and that did nothing. Boycotts have only had very limited consumer rights successes in individual games, like EA removing pay to win mechanics from Battlefront 2. Meanwhile Australia ended up made Steam to offer refunds to everyone and Belgium and Netherlands restrictions on lootboxes has noticeably reduced their usage in games. You're free to prove to me wrong but government actions end up being far more successful than boycotts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. Then why would any government care? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* As evident from Australia, Canada and the US, every government does not care. There's no guarantee that the EU commission will care either, but because we've (hopefully) met their pretty significant requirement they have to care enough to address it. And in an ideal society they would have to care because the government is for the people and enough people have voiced their concern. Also considering there's at least one prominent EU parliament politician showing public support it's bound to get a bit more political attention than just a simple "No" that we've seen so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Discussion on the internet is dead. You ask a question and people respond with meme pictures and downvotes instead of a point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Only when someone is talking in good faith, which you clearly aren't. Begone, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 year ago (1 child) How? I genuinely believe something along the lines of an organized boycott would be far more impactful than a hail mary petition. The reason I think it wouldn't work is because most people couldn't commit. That's why I said this isn't activism. It's not activism if you're not putting in any effort. I don't care if people downvote me, but at least post an actual opinion. Have an actual stance. I'm glad others have posted some, although all of them seem to be along the lines of "this petition will definitely fix everything so we don't need to try anything else". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) What even is your point? Besides "I don't like this thing so I'm going to shit on it"? You've made no actual arguments against the initiative. All you've said is that it doesn't work (technically you haven't even said this, at best you've implied) and I could just as easily say that about your boycott "solution" as well. You have no point. You're just shit stirring. That's why you're a bad faith troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) My point is that the movement should be doing more than just signing an online petition. What happens if the EU parliament declines to make any changes? Nothing? Oh well we tried? What will you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Okay, so what more should we do? Boycott somehow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) atro_city said it well: If the SKG movement doesn't organise, that's all we'll get: a communiqué to shut the hell up. Over a million Europeans have signed a petition in less than a month. Why only Europeans? Big ecelebs like PewDiePie and Critikal have made videos on this. It's got a lot of people interested. Why not get everyone in on something more direct? Something international? Why does the world need to sit and wait and hope the EU parliament fixes everything? It seems like a waste of momentum. It needs to be more than just a European petition. A call to boycott the worst companies until they change their EULA and TOS would be a great start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Well, if you had been here since the start you'd know that Ross started SKG by having multiple petitions around the globe. The EU initiative is one the last (if not the last) petition he pushed for. For Australia and Canada the ship already sailed, Australia said no and Canada gave a roundabout no. Ross didn't even try in the US because the US is such a lost cause there's nothing to even petition for. I don't remember what happened with Brazil but it was on Ross's radar. Most other countries would simply be too small to have an impact on the global scale. Which is why the last two bastions left are the UK and the EU, because the haven't said outright "No" yet and they're big enough to influence the market. The rest of the world has to wait because the other influential parts of the world have already failed. As for a boycott, you're free to start organizing one. I see that as a lost cause. If we can barely get 1 million Europeans to do the bare minimum of signing one petition I don't see how you're going to get 10+ million people across the globe to do more than the bare minimum for who knows how long. Boycotts don't work because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. I've seen different groups of people boycott Ubisoft for 20 years now and I personally had boycotted them for about a decade, it had no impact as Ubisoft made even more profits despite the different boycotts. Modern Warfare 2 boycott had no impact on the removal of dedicated servers. People even boycotted Valve when Steam launched and that did nothing. Boycotts have only had very limited consumer rights successes in individual games, like EA removing pay to win mechanics from Battlefront 2. Meanwhile Australia ended up made Steam to offer refunds to everyone and Belgium and Netherlands restrictions on lootboxes has noticeably reduced their usage in games. You're free to prove to me wrong but government actions end up being far more successful than boycotts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. Then why would any government care? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* As evident from Australia, Canada and the US, every government does not care. There's no guarantee that the EU commission will care either, but because we've (hopefully) met their pretty significant requirement they have to care enough to address it. And in an ideal society they would have to care because the government is for the people and enough people have voiced their concern. Also considering there's at least one prominent EU parliament politician showing public support it's bound to get a bit more political attention than just a simple "No" that we've seen so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Discussion on the internet is dead. You ask a question and people respond with meme pictures and downvotes instead of a point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Only when someone is talking in good faith, which you clearly aren't. Begone, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 year ago (1 child) How? I genuinely believe something along the lines of an organized boycott would be far more impactful than a hail mary petition. The reason I think it wouldn't work is because most people couldn't commit. That's why I said this isn't activism. It's not activism if you're not putting in any effort. I don't care if people downvote me, but at least post an actual opinion. Have an actual stance. I'm glad others have posted some, although all of them seem to be along the lines of "this petition will definitely fix everything so we don't need to try anything else". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) What even is your point? Besides "I don't like this thing so I'm going to shit on it"? You've made no actual arguments against the initiative. All you've said is that it doesn't work (technically you haven't even said this, at best you've implied) and I could just as easily say that about your boycott "solution" as well. You have no point. You're just shit stirring. That's why you're a bad faith troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) My point is that the movement should be doing more than just signing an online petition. What happens if the EU parliament declines to make any changes? Nothing? Oh well we tried? What will you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Okay, so what more should we do? Boycott somehow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) atro_city said it well: If the SKG movement doesn't organise, that's all we'll get: a communiqué to shut the hell up. Over a million Europeans have signed a petition in less than a month. Why only Europeans? Big ecelebs like PewDiePie and Critikal have made videos on this. It's got a lot of people interested. Why not get everyone in on something more direct? Something international? Why does the world need to sit and wait and hope the EU parliament fixes everything? It seems like a waste of momentum. It needs to be more than just a European petition. A call to boycott the worst companies until they change their EULA and TOS would be a great start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Well, if you had been here since the start you'd know that Ross started SKG by having multiple petitions around the globe. The EU initiative is one the last (if not the last) petition he pushed for. For Australia and Canada the ship already sailed, Australia said no and Canada gave a roundabout no. Ross didn't even try in the US because the US is such a lost cause there's nothing to even petition for. I don't remember what happened with Brazil but it was on Ross's radar. Most other countries would simply be too small to have an impact on the global scale. Which is why the last two bastions left are the UK and the EU, because the haven't said outright "No" yet and they're big enough to influence the market. The rest of the world has to wait because the other influential parts of the world have already failed. As for a boycott, you're free to start organizing one. I see that as a lost cause. If we can barely get 1 million Europeans to do the bare minimum of signing one petition I don't see how you're going to get 10+ million people across the globe to do more than the bare minimum for who knows how long. Boycotts don't work because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. I've seen different groups of people boycott Ubisoft for 20 years now and I personally had boycotted them for about a decade, it had no impact as Ubisoft made even more profits despite the different boycotts. Modern Warfare 2 boycott had no impact on the removal of dedicated servers. People even boycotted Valve when Steam launched and that did nothing. Boycotts have only had very limited consumer rights successes in individual games, like EA removing pay to win mechanics from Battlefront 2. Meanwhile Australia ended up made Steam to offer refunds to everyone and Belgium and Netherlands restrictions on lootboxes has noticeably reduced their usage in games. You're free to prove to me wrong but government actions end up being far more successful than boycotts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. Then why would any government care? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* As evident from Australia, Canada and the US, every government does not care. There's no guarantee that the EU commission will care either, but because we've (hopefully) met their pretty significant requirement they have to care enough to address it. And in an ideal society they would have to care because the government is for the people and enough people have voiced their concern. Also considering there's at least one prominent EU parliament politician showing public support it's bound to get a bit more political attention than just a simple "No" that we've seen so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Only when someone is talking in good faith, which you clearly aren't. Begone, troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 year ago (1 child) How? I genuinely believe something along the lines of an organized boycott would be far more impactful than a hail mary petition. The reason I think it wouldn't work is because most people couldn't commit. That's why I said this isn't activism. It's not activism if you're not putting in any effort. I don't care if people downvote me, but at least post an actual opinion. Have an actual stance. I'm glad others have posted some, although all of them seem to be along the lines of "this petition will definitely fix everything so we don't need to try anything else". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) What even is your point? Besides "I don't like this thing so I'm going to shit on it"? You've made no actual arguments against the initiative. All you've said is that it doesn't work (technically you haven't even said this, at best you've implied) and I could just as easily say that about your boycott "solution" as well. You have no point. You're just shit stirring. That's why you're a bad faith troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) My point is that the movement should be doing more than just signing an online petition. What happens if the EU parliament declines to make any changes? Nothing? Oh well we tried? What will you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Okay, so what more should we do? Boycott somehow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) atro_city said it well: If the SKG movement doesn't organise, that's all we'll get: a communiqué to shut the hell up. Over a million Europeans have signed a petition in less than a month. Why only Europeans? Big ecelebs like PewDiePie and Critikal have made videos on this. It's got a lot of people interested. Why not get everyone in on something more direct? Something international? Why does the world need to sit and wait and hope the EU parliament fixes everything? It seems like a waste of momentum. It needs to be more than just a European petition. A call to boycott the worst companies until they change their EULA and TOS would be a great start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Well, if you had been here since the start you'd know that Ross started SKG by having multiple petitions around the globe. The EU initiative is one the last (if not the last) petition he pushed for. For Australia and Canada the ship already sailed, Australia said no and Canada gave a roundabout no. Ross didn't even try in the US because the US is such a lost cause there's nothing to even petition for. I don't remember what happened with Brazil but it was on Ross's radar. Most other countries would simply be too small to have an impact on the global scale. Which is why the last two bastions left are the UK and the EU, because the haven't said outright "No" yet and they're big enough to influence the market. The rest of the world has to wait because the other influential parts of the world have already failed. As for a boycott, you're free to start organizing one. I see that as a lost cause. If we can barely get 1 million Europeans to do the bare minimum of signing one petition I don't see how you're going to get 10+ million people across the globe to do more than the bare minimum for who knows how long. Boycotts don't work because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. I've seen different groups of people boycott Ubisoft for 20 years now and I personally had boycotted them for about a decade, it had no impact as Ubisoft made even more profits despite the different boycotts. Modern Warfare 2 boycott had no impact on the removal of dedicated servers. People even boycotted Valve when Steam launched and that did nothing. Boycotts have only had very limited consumer rights successes in individual games, like EA removing pay to win mechanics from Battlefront 2. Meanwhile Australia ended up made Steam to offer refunds to everyone and Belgium and Netherlands restrictions on lootboxes has noticeably reduced their usage in games. You're free to prove to me wrong but government actions end up being far more successful than boycotts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. Then why would any government care? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* As evident from Australia, Canada and the US, every government does not care. There's no guarantee that the EU commission will care either, but because we've (hopefully) met their pretty significant requirement they have to care enough to address it. And in an ideal society they would have to care because the government is for the people and enough people have voiced their concern. Also considering there's at least one prominent EU parliament politician showing public support it's bound to get a bit more political attention than just a simple "No" that we've seen so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 year ago (1 child) How? I genuinely believe something along the lines of an organized boycott would be far more impactful than a hail mary petition. The reason I think it wouldn't work is because most people couldn't commit. That's why I said this isn't activism. It's not activism if you're not putting in any effort. I don't care if people downvote me, but at least post an actual opinion. Have an actual stance. I'm glad others have posted some, although all of them seem to be along the lines of "this petition will definitely fix everything so we don't need to try anything else". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) What even is your point? Besides "I don't like this thing so I'm going to shit on it"? You've made no actual arguments against the initiative. All you've said is that it doesn't work (technically you haven't even said this, at best you've implied) and I could just as easily say that about your boycott "solution" as well. You have no point. You're just shit stirring. That's why you're a bad faith troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) My point is that the movement should be doing more than just signing an online petition. What happens if the EU parliament declines to make any changes? Nothing? Oh well we tried? What will you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Okay, so what more should we do? Boycott somehow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) atro_city said it well: If the SKG movement doesn't organise, that's all we'll get: a communiqué to shut the hell up. Over a million Europeans have signed a petition in less than a month. Why only Europeans? Big ecelebs like PewDiePie and Critikal have made videos on this. It's got a lot of people interested. Why not get everyone in on something more direct? Something international? Why does the world need to sit and wait and hope the EU parliament fixes everything? It seems like a waste of momentum. It needs to be more than just a European petition. A call to boycott the worst companies until they change their EULA and TOS would be a great start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Well, if you had been here since the start you'd know that Ross started SKG by having multiple petitions around the globe. The EU initiative is one the last (if not the last) petition he pushed for. For Australia and Canada the ship already sailed, Australia said no and Canada gave a roundabout no. Ross didn't even try in the US because the US is such a lost cause there's nothing to even petition for. I don't remember what happened with Brazil but it was on Ross's radar. Most other countries would simply be too small to have an impact on the global scale. Which is why the last two bastions left are the UK and the EU, because the haven't said outright "No" yet and they're big enough to influence the market. The rest of the world has to wait because the other influential parts of the world have already failed. As for a boycott, you're free to start organizing one. I see that as a lost cause. If we can barely get 1 million Europeans to do the bare minimum of signing one petition I don't see how you're going to get 10+ million people across the globe to do more than the bare minimum for who knows how long. Boycotts don't work because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. I've seen different groups of people boycott Ubisoft for 20 years now and I personally had boycotted them for about a decade, it had no impact as Ubisoft made even more profits despite the different boycotts. Modern Warfare 2 boycott had no impact on the removal of dedicated servers. People even boycotted Valve when Steam launched and that did nothing. Boycotts have only had very limited consumer rights successes in individual games, like EA removing pay to win mechanics from Battlefront 2. Meanwhile Australia ended up made Steam to offer refunds to everyone and Belgium and Netherlands restrictions on lootboxes has noticeably reduced their usage in games. You're free to prove to me wrong but government actions end up being far more successful than boycotts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. Then why would any government care? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* As evident from Australia, Canada and the US, every government does not care. There's no guarantee that the EU commission will care either, but because we've (hopefully) met their pretty significant requirement they have to care enough to address it. And in an ideal society they would have to care because the government is for the people and enough people have voiced their concern. Also considering there's at least one prominent EU parliament politician showing public support it's bound to get a bit more political attention than just a simple "No" that we've seen so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) What even is your point? Besides "I don't like this thing so I'm going to shit on it"? You've made no actual arguments against the initiative. All you've said is that it doesn't work (technically you haven't even said this, at best you've implied) and I could just as easily say that about your boycott "solution" as well. You have no point. You're just shit stirring. That's why you're a bad faith troll. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) My point is that the movement should be doing more than just signing an online petition. What happens if the EU parliament declines to make any changes? Nothing? Oh well we tried? What will you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Okay, so what more should we do? Boycott somehow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) atro_city said it well: If the SKG movement doesn't organise, that's all we'll get: a communiqué to shut the hell up. Over a million Europeans have signed a petition in less than a month. Why only Europeans? Big ecelebs like PewDiePie and Critikal have made videos on this. It's got a lot of people interested. Why not get everyone in on something more direct? Something international? Why does the world need to sit and wait and hope the EU parliament fixes everything? It seems like a waste of momentum. It needs to be more than just a European petition. A call to boycott the worst companies until they change their EULA and TOS would be a great start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Well, if you had been here since the start you'd know that Ross started SKG by having multiple petitions around the globe. The EU initiative is one the last (if not the last) petition he pushed for. For Australia and Canada the ship already sailed, Australia said no and Canada gave a roundabout no. Ross didn't even try in the US because the US is such a lost cause there's nothing to even petition for. I don't remember what happened with Brazil but it was on Ross's radar. Most other countries would simply be too small to have an impact on the global scale. Which is why the last two bastions left are the UK and the EU, because the haven't said outright "No" yet and they're big enough to influence the market. The rest of the world has to wait because the other influential parts of the world have already failed. As for a boycott, you're free to start organizing one. I see that as a lost cause. If we can barely get 1 million Europeans to do the bare minimum of signing one petition I don't see how you're going to get 10+ million people across the globe to do more than the bare minimum for who knows how long. Boycotts don't work because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. I've seen different groups of people boycott Ubisoft for 20 years now and I personally had boycotted them for about a decade, it had no impact as Ubisoft made even more profits despite the different boycotts. Modern Warfare 2 boycott had no impact on the removal of dedicated servers. People even boycotted Valve when Steam launched and that did nothing. Boycotts have only had very limited consumer rights successes in individual games, like EA removing pay to win mechanics from Battlefront 2. Meanwhile Australia ended up made Steam to offer refunds to everyone and Belgium and Netherlands restrictions on lootboxes has noticeably reduced their usage in games. You're free to prove to me wrong but government actions end up being far more successful than boycotts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. Then why would any government care? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* As evident from Australia, Canada and the US, every government does not care. There's no guarantee that the EU commission will care either, but because we've (hopefully) met their pretty significant requirement they have to care enough to address it. And in an ideal society they would have to care because the government is for the people and enough people have voiced their concern. Also considering there's at least one prominent EU parliament politician showing public support it's bound to get a bit more political attention than just a simple "No" that we've seen so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 child) My point is that the movement should be doing more than just signing an online petition. What happens if the EU parliament declines to make any changes? Nothing? Oh well we tried? What will you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Okay, so what more should we do? Boycott somehow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) atro_city said it well: If the SKG movement doesn't organise, that's all we'll get: a communiqué to shut the hell up. Over a million Europeans have signed a petition in less than a month. Why only Europeans? Big ecelebs like PewDiePie and Critikal have made videos on this. It's got a lot of people interested. Why not get everyone in on something more direct? Something international? Why does the world need to sit and wait and hope the EU parliament fixes everything? It seems like a waste of momentum. It needs to be more than just a European petition. A call to boycott the worst companies until they change their EULA and TOS would be a great start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Well, if you had been here since the start you'd know that Ross started SKG by having multiple petitions around the globe. The EU initiative is one the last (if not the last) petition he pushed for. For Australia and Canada the ship already sailed, Australia said no and Canada gave a roundabout no. Ross didn't even try in the US because the US is such a lost cause there's nothing to even petition for. I don't remember what happened with Brazil but it was on Ross's radar. Most other countries would simply be too small to have an impact on the global scale. Which is why the last two bastions left are the UK and the EU, because the haven't said outright "No" yet and they're big enough to influence the market. The rest of the world has to wait because the other influential parts of the world have already failed. As for a boycott, you're free to start organizing one. I see that as a lost cause. If we can barely get 1 million Europeans to do the bare minimum of signing one petition I don't see how you're going to get 10+ million people across the globe to do more than the bare minimum for who knows how long. Boycotts don't work because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. I've seen different groups of people boycott Ubisoft for 20 years now and I personally had boycotted them for about a decade, it had no impact as Ubisoft made even more profits despite the different boycotts. Modern Warfare 2 boycott had no impact on the removal of dedicated servers. People even boycotted Valve when Steam launched and that did nothing. Boycotts have only had very limited consumer rights successes in individual games, like EA removing pay to win mechanics from Battlefront 2. Meanwhile Australia ended up made Steam to offer refunds to everyone and Belgium and Netherlands restrictions on lootboxes has noticeably reduced their usage in games. You're free to prove to me wrong but government actions end up being far more successful than boycotts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. Then why would any government care? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* As evident from Australia, Canada and the US, every government does not care. There's no guarantee that the EU commission will care either, but because we've (hopefully) met their pretty significant requirement they have to care enough to address it. And in an ideal society they would have to care because the government is for the people and enough people have voiced their concern. Also considering there's at least one prominent EU parliament politician showing public support it's bound to get a bit more political attention than just a simple "No" that we've seen so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Okay, so what more should we do? Boycott somehow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) atro_city said it well: If the SKG movement doesn't organise, that's all we'll get: a communiqué to shut the hell up. Over a million Europeans have signed a petition in less than a month. Why only Europeans? Big ecelebs like PewDiePie and Critikal have made videos on this. It's got a lot of people interested. Why not get everyone in on something more direct? Something international? Why does the world need to sit and wait and hope the EU parliament fixes everything? It seems like a waste of momentum. It needs to be more than just a European petition. A call to boycott the worst companies until they change their EULA and TOS would be a great start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Well, if you had been here since the start you'd know that Ross started SKG by having multiple petitions around the globe. The EU initiative is one the last (if not the last) petition he pushed for. For Australia and Canada the ship already sailed, Australia said no and Canada gave a roundabout no. Ross didn't even try in the US because the US is such a lost cause there's nothing to even petition for. I don't remember what happened with Brazil but it was on Ross's radar. Most other countries would simply be too small to have an impact on the global scale. Which is why the last two bastions left are the UK and the EU, because the haven't said outright "No" yet and they're big enough to influence the market. The rest of the world has to wait because the other influential parts of the world have already failed. As for a boycott, you're free to start organizing one. I see that as a lost cause. If we can barely get 1 million Europeans to do the bare minimum of signing one petition I don't see how you're going to get 10+ million people across the globe to do more than the bare minimum for who knows how long. Boycotts don't work because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. I've seen different groups of people boycott Ubisoft for 20 years now and I personally had boycotted them for about a decade, it had no impact as Ubisoft made even more profits despite the different boycotts. Modern Warfare 2 boycott had no impact on the removal of dedicated servers. People even boycotted Valve when Steam launched and that did nothing. Boycotts have only had very limited consumer rights successes in individual games, like EA removing pay to win mechanics from Battlefront 2. Meanwhile Australia ended up made Steam to offer refunds to everyone and Belgium and Netherlands restrictions on lootboxes has noticeably reduced their usage in games. You're free to prove to me wrong but government actions end up being far more successful than boycotts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. Then why would any government care? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* As evident from Australia, Canada and the US, every government does not care. There's no guarantee that the EU commission will care either, but because we've (hopefully) met their pretty significant requirement they have to care enough to address it. And in an ideal society they would have to care because the government is for the people and enough people have voiced their concern. Also considering there's at least one prominent EU parliament politician showing public support it's bound to get a bit more political attention than just a simple "No" that we've seen so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) atro_city said it well: If the SKG movement doesn't organise, that's all we'll get: a communiqué to shut the hell up. Over a million Europeans have signed a petition in less than a month. Why only Europeans? Big ecelebs like PewDiePie and Critikal have made videos on this. It's got a lot of people interested. Why not get everyone in on something more direct? Something international? Why does the world need to sit and wait and hope the EU parliament fixes everything? It seems like a waste of momentum. It needs to be more than just a European petition. A call to boycott the worst companies until they change their EULA and TOS would be a great start. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Well, if you had been here since the start you'd know that Ross started SKG by having multiple petitions around the globe. The EU initiative is one the last (if not the last) petition he pushed for. For Australia and Canada the ship already sailed, Australia said no and Canada gave a roundabout no. Ross didn't even try in the US because the US is such a lost cause there's nothing to even petition for. I don't remember what happened with Brazil but it was on Ross's radar. Most other countries would simply be too small to have an impact on the global scale. Which is why the last two bastions left are the UK and the EU, because the haven't said outright "No" yet and they're big enough to influence the market. The rest of the world has to wait because the other influential parts of the world have already failed. As for a boycott, you're free to start organizing one. I see that as a lost cause. If we can barely get 1 million Europeans to do the bare minimum of signing one petition I don't see how you're going to get 10+ million people across the globe to do more than the bare minimum for who knows how long. Boycotts don't work because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. I've seen different groups of people boycott Ubisoft for 20 years now and I personally had boycotted them for about a decade, it had no impact as Ubisoft made even more profits despite the different boycotts. Modern Warfare 2 boycott had no impact on the removal of dedicated servers. People even boycotted Valve when Steam launched and that did nothing. Boycotts have only had very limited consumer rights successes in individual games, like EA removing pay to win mechanics from Battlefront 2. Meanwhile Australia ended up made Steam to offer refunds to everyone and Belgium and Netherlands restrictions on lootboxes has noticeably reduced their usage in games. You're free to prove to me wrong but government actions end up being far more successful than boycotts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. Then why would any government care? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* As evident from Australia, Canada and the US, every government does not care. There's no guarantee that the EU commission will care either, but because we've (hopefully) met their pretty significant requirement they have to care enough to address it. And in an ideal society they would have to care because the government is for the people and enough people have voiced their concern. Also considering there's at least one prominent EU parliament politician showing public support it's bound to get a bit more political attention than just a simple "No" that we've seen so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Well, if you had been here since the start you'd know that Ross started SKG by having multiple petitions around the globe. The EU initiative is one the last (if not the last) petition he pushed for. For Australia and Canada the ship already sailed, Australia said no and Canada gave a roundabout no. Ross didn't even try in the US because the US is such a lost cause there's nothing to even petition for. I don't remember what happened with Brazil but it was on Ross's radar. Most other countries would simply be too small to have an impact on the global scale. Which is why the last two bastions left are the UK and the EU, because the haven't said outright "No" yet and they're big enough to influence the market. The rest of the world has to wait because the other influential parts of the world have already failed. As for a boycott, you're free to start organizing one. I see that as a lost cause. If we can barely get 1 million Europeans to do the bare minimum of signing one petition I don't see how you're going to get 10+ million people across the globe to do more than the bare minimum for who knows how long. Boycotts don't work because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. I've seen different groups of people boycott Ubisoft for 20 years now and I personally had boycotted them for about a decade, it had no impact as Ubisoft made even more profits despite the different boycotts. Modern Warfare 2 boycott had no impact on the removal of dedicated servers. People even boycotted Valve when Steam launched and that did nothing. Boycotts have only had very limited consumer rights successes in individual games, like EA removing pay to win mechanics from Battlefront 2. Meanwhile Australia ended up made Steam to offer refunds to everyone and Belgium and Netherlands restrictions on lootboxes has noticeably reduced their usage in games. You're free to prove to me wrong but government actions end up being far more successful than boycotts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. Then why would any government care? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* As evident from Australia, Canada and the US, every government does not care. There's no guarantee that the EU commission will care either, but because we've (hopefully) met their pretty significant requirement they have to care enough to address it. And in an ideal society they would have to care because the government is for the people and enough people have voiced their concern. Also considering there's at least one prominent EU parliament politician showing public support it's bound to get a bit more political attention than just a simple "No" that we've seen so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 child) because 99% of gamers do not give a fuck. Then why would any government care? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* As evident from Australia, Canada and the US, every government does not care. There's no guarantee that the EU commission will care either, but because we've (hopefully) met their pretty significant requirement they have to care enough to address it. And in an ideal society they would have to care because the government is for the people and enough people have voiced their concern. Also considering there's at least one prominent EU parliament politician showing public support it's bound to get a bit more political attention than just a simple "No" that we've seen so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 points 1 year ago* As evident from Australia, Canada and the US, every government does not care. There's no guarantee that the EU commission will care either, but because we've (hopefully) met their pretty significant requirement they have to care enough to address it. And in an ideal society they would have to care because the government is for the people and enough people have voiced their concern. Also considering there's at least one prominent EU parliament politician showing public support it's bound to get a bit more political attention than just a simple "No" that we've seen so far. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] highduc@lemmy.ml 63 points 1 year ago (1 child) Lol what a hot take. No, we expect them to regulate a multi-billion dollar industry because that's what governments do. Healthcare is a multi billion dollar industry. So is agriculture, and many others. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com -20 points 1 year ago (2 children) healthcare: lives & health at stake agriculture: environment & health at stake video games: ? one of these is not like the others sorry, bruh: on a scale from critically important to idgaf, this ain't ranking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago What you're missing is that after Brexit the EU is desperate to appear to citizens that they're listening and this would be such an easy win that yeah, I really expected them to not only listen but actually get their fingers out of their collective arseholes and do something about it. Blah blah funding. Sure, start by targeting games that sell over X units or Y euros in revenue. If the article is correct then it's a massive missed opportunity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Katana314@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Even if it’s literally just “money at stake” some countries would have reason to be concerned - because so many zero-IQ MBAs are pushing industries into a hot crash for short term gains that bankrupt any long term growth. Gamers having no faith that the games they buy remain theirs is one of many things that can drive down spending; though it will never happen on such a granular scale publishers would take action on it. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com -20 points 1 year ago (2 children) healthcare: lives & health at stake agriculture: environment & health at stake video games: ? one of these is not like the others sorry, bruh: on a scale from critically important to idgaf, this ain't ranking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago What you're missing is that after Brexit the EU is desperate to appear to citizens that they're listening and this would be such an easy win that yeah, I really expected them to not only listen but actually get their fingers out of their collective arseholes and do something about it. Blah blah funding. Sure, start by targeting games that sell over X units or Y euros in revenue. If the article is correct then it's a massive missed opportunity. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Katana314@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Even if it’s literally just “money at stake” some countries would have reason to be concerned - because so many zero-IQ MBAs are pushing industries into a hot crash for short term gains that bankrupt any long term growth. Gamers having no faith that the games they buy remain theirs is one of many things that can drive down spending; though it will never happen on such a granular scale publishers would take action on it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] khannie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago What you're missing is that after Brexit the EU is desperate to appear to citizens that they're listening and this would be such an easy win that yeah, I really expected them to not only listen but actually get their fingers out of their collective arseholes and do something about it. Blah blah funding. Sure, start by targeting games that sell over X units or Y euros in revenue. If the article is correct then it's a massive missed opportunity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Even if it’s literally just “money at stake” some countries would have reason to be concerned - because so many zero-IQ MBAs are pushing industries into a hot crash for short term gains that bankrupt any long term growth. Gamers having no faith that the games they buy remain theirs is one of many things that can drive down spending; though it will never happen on such a granular scale publishers would take action on it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] scintilla@kbin.earth 33 points 1 year ago (1 child) Have you read what a citizens initiative is? Have you read about the other successful ones? or do you just spew bullshit online before reading more deeply? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -11 points 1 year ago (1 child) Give me an example of a "successful one". I've read only two initiatives have lead to law changes. One on the minimum cage sizes for farm animals being slightly bigger and one on banning pesticides that ended up with slightly more oversight on their use. All the others that passed only resulted in a statement by the government with no legal changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nyctre@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago That's 2 out of 10, not some hundreds. So if we're going by the odds, SKG has a 1 in 5 chance of getting a law passed. Better than nothing. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca -11 points 1 year ago (1 child) Give me an example of a "successful one". I've read only two initiatives have lead to law changes. One on the minimum cage sizes for farm animals being slightly bigger and one on banning pesticides that ended up with slightly more oversight on their use. All the others that passed only resulted in a statement by the government with no legal changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nyctre@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago That's 2 out of 10, not some hundreds. So if we're going by the odds, SKG has a 1 in 5 chance of getting a law passed. Better than nothing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago That's 2 out of 10, not some hundreds. So if we're going by the odds, SKG has a 1 in 5 chance of getting a law passed. Better than nothing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago They made it further than my country ever will. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gaylactus@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not... You are aware that, the EU has been famously known for applying huge penalty fines to big tech companies, including Google and Apple, and that even Valve, was targeted for an antitrust lawsuit, that lost? Are you also aware that the EU forced Apple to standardized their power cables to use USB-C only, which caused Apple to lose a fair amount of money, because now they will profit less from selling licenses to cable manufacturers. The license costs $99, which is really nothing special but for each connector, the cable manufacturer has to pay Apple $4. This is a huge business for Apple, and that the EU completely shot down. The decreased cable lifespan prompted people to buy new cables more often, generating more profit for Apple. Additionally, Apple earned money by licensing third-party manufacturers who wanted to sell cables under the "Made for iPhones" (MFi) program. The commission and licensing fees constituted a significant portion of Apple's cable-related revenue, totalling a substantial 10 billion dollars Did you knew that in the EU, the minimum warranty for any electronic device, is at least 3 years, which can be even higher depending on each member state own laws? From your perspective, this alone, might represent a 200% decrease in revenue, when compared to countries that only provide a 1 year warranty. How is this being pro corporations? I will say this in the most respectfully way I can, but you're full of shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago Which petitions were those actions caused by? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago Which petitions were those actions caused by? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com -25 points 1 year ago Nope, and the suckers who did can suck big, fat ones. permalink fedilink source parent