Fun facts: the UK has crazy laws protecting trees and hedgerows. There's a national tree registry for old boys.

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[–] 123 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The story of the Tree That Owns Itself is widely known and is almost always presented as fact. Only one person—the anonymous author of "Deeded to Itself"—has ever claimed to have seen Jackson's deed to the tree. Most writers acknowledge that the deed is lost or no longer exists—if in fact it ever did exist. Such a deed would have no legal effect. Under common law, the recipient of a piece of property must have the legal capacity to receive it, and the property must be delivered to—and accepted by—the recipient.[6] Both are impossible for a tree to do, as it isn't a legal person.

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"However defective this title may be in law, the public recognized it."[11] In that spirit, it is the stated position of the Athens-Clarke County Unified Government that the tree, in spite of the law, does indeed own itself.[12] It is the policy of the city of Athens to maintain it as a public street tree.[13]

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Although the story of the Tree That Owns Itself is more legend than history, the tree has become, along with the University Arch and the Double-Barreled Cannon, one of the most recognized and well-loved symbols of Athens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_That_Owns_Itself

In reality, the tree is not protected by law, but by the will of the people. Kind of symbolic if you ask me.

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  • [–] 105 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Nothing is protected by law, everything protected is by the will of the people

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  • [+] [S] 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's called environmental protection groups, animal rights groups, etc. Plenty don't want to listen, though

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  • [+] [S] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Who is going to keep them accountable? Trees have a record high abstention rate, and if these representatives are elected by humans that's just proportional voting with veneer on top.

    Democracy is about balancing levers, and that's why there is more than one branch of government. Special interest groups do have power, and so does the judiciary (who may sue the government for unlawful cutting down of trees) and the executive (who may have power to declare certain government-owned land to be Protected).

    The real ecologist move would be to write a duty to protect the environment into the constitution, so that the judiciary can strike down any law that does anything to the contrary.

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  • [–] 88 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    and everyone just went with it.

    Technically, how all law really works at its core.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Someone thought me the concept of a legal fiction and I still think about it.

    Land ownership, companies, nation states, citizenship: all exist because we agree that it does.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    This crooked little vein of logic is what gave us sovereign citizens though, so be careful. Time may be an illusion and all, but schedules still exist.

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  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    The trees owned the lands until the humans took it from them.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The ownership of land is an odd thing when you come to think of it. How deep, after all, can it go? If a person owns a piece of land, does he own it all the way down, in ever narrowing dimensions, till it meets all other pieces at the center of the earth? Or does ownership consist only of a thin crust under which the friendly worms have never heard of trespassing?

    -Tuck Everlasting

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  • [+] [S] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Isn’t that what we all do though?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Humans are bizarrely fond of stuffing their dead with preservatives, hermetically sealing them in a box, and/or incinerating them. Like, it's our last chance to give a little bit back to nature, but nope.

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  • [–] 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I do like the info, I'm failing to see the science aspect, and even the meme aspect of this post. But I'm in the 'microblog doesn't equal meme' camp.

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  • [+] [S] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    The 'not science' part is what irked me and I tagged that on for laughs and irrelevant discussion (as is the following I'm not mad, but like to dabble in pedantry today):

    But on that part, in the old days the dawkinsian meme was misappropriated to denote a specific image format. Of course it is a Dawkinsian one, too as it is a vector of ideas.

    Then it got misappropriated again as 'any funny image on the internet', including microblogs, like you seen to defend. You then use the argument that it's a meme in the Dawkinsian manner (and you'd be technically correct).

    But using that logic anything in any medium is a meme. I could upload a Gilbert Gottfried narration of Atlas Shrugged, a clay tablet or the transcripts of all of money pythons movies and sketches. That would all be Dawkinsian memes, and debatebly funny, however not the kind the people here are interested in seeing.

    So in in the camp 'a meme means an image with caption' and not micro blogs, otherwise anything goes.

    Thanks for entertaining my diatribe.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    when the people who make the rules say "Sorry, the rules are the rules, there's nothing we can do" remember that they literally gave a tree human rights just because they felt like it.

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    [–] 29 points 2 years ago

    Are they sure the original Tree that Owned Itself was the mother of the Son of the Tree that owned itself? Or did some whore squirrel just deposit the acorn near the stump?

    Have they done a DNA test to confirm that the son has a legal stake in the property?

    Now the son is young, dumb, and full of pollen. He's gotta be spreading it as far as the wind will take it. What will happen when he inevitably dies and his estate has to be settled??

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    A tree owning itself and it's a white oak tree, who would have guessed. You can be victim of specicism and still a white supremacist. Think about it.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    wait so, can i just deed the title of my land to my land upon my death? Is that something i can just fucking do?

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    I don't think it's crazy at all to protect trees. We need them. What baffles me is how much we rely on them and still cut whole swaths of them down anyway without a thought.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    Study after study has shown that trees in cities offer huge benefits: offering shade and cooling (reducing energy consumption), draining storm/flood water (very useful in our more extreme climate), cleaning the air and emitting oxygen, homing wildlife, improving mental health by reducing anxiety and depression, being nice to look at.

    Every city tree should be treasured and protected.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Trees now have more rights than women in the State of Texas

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    [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Okay curious question. There's a legal movement arguing that nature should be protected by law/be considered when undertaking things that might affect it (esp. resource development).

    Does anybody with any legal knowledge know if this would create some kind of legal precedent? Obviously it's not enshrined in written law, but a tree that owns itself (even by mutual agreement) seems to suggest it's somewhat plausible, and it's not like laws always make sense lol. Or am I just reading too much into this?

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    Obviously, it would vary from country to country. But some countries do give legal status either to nature as a whole, or to rivers, mountains, etc. In practice, this means that the state / a citizen can sue anyone who pollutes or otherwise harms the river / mountain / nature, without needing to prove that the pollution is bad for other people.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    Tree law continues to be the wildest

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Emotionally sensitive people make life worth living

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