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[–] 121 points 1 week ago* (14 children)

I've been working on Linux since '96. As time goes by I keep drifting more and more towards boring and stable distributions. I just don't want to be bothered with a system that needs me to groom it constantly.

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  • [–] 77 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    I use arch because it is the boring but stable system. Rolling release means you just keep updating it and it works forever rather than having to do big bang upgrades between LTS versions that always break something

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  • [–] 23 points 1 week ago (10 children)

    Nah. It just means that the breaking updates could surprise you at any time.

    With a LTS version upgrade, I can plan for the potentially breaking updates. I can set aside time when my schedule is free to do the big update and work through any potential bullshit. It won't interrupt my work.

    But in a rolling release, you're still going to get that same breaking update ... but with no warning this time. It might come at a crucial time when you're trying to get other work done, forcing you to stop your more important work and fix your computer first.


    And that's not even counting the number of breaking updates. A relatively 'bleeding edge' rolling release distro like Arch is going to include much newer software versions that haven't gone through as much real-world testing and bug reporting as the stale old packages in a LTS release. The price you pay for more updated software is that it's less thoroughly tested software and more likely to include undiscovered, unfixed bugs.

    By the time the same package update finally makes it to some stable LTS distro, more of the bugs have been discovered, reported, and hopefully fixed ... before you ever even see it.

    (Not to say that nobody should run cutting-edge rolling release distros. I'm glad you guys are out there. You're the ones reporting those bugs that end up getting fixed before it makes it into the LTS version. If everybody was running LTS stuff, it would lose that advantage because nobody would be testing things before they make it to the LTS.)


    Overall, I think cutting-edge rolling release is fine for a computer that doesn't really matter, like a gaming PC. (And you'll probably get a gaming performance boost from having the latest and greatest versions of things.)

    But for an essential computer that you need for doing important things, a LTS stable release is the way to go 100%.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    You can write a whole essay of theory, but my experience is running several arch devices for years and years with no problems and having ubuntu distro upgrades break so badly I just reinstall completely every single time.

    Another hiccup is that LTS are not actually running stable packages. They are running Frankenstein versions of packages with backports that are not supported by the project maintainers, because the software has to be maintained for security if nothing else.

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    [–] 54 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    Arch taught me how to fuck my computer and now its my main squeeze.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    'Cause no other computer will let you touch it, let alone sudo it.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 week ago (11 children)

    I like to ask Linux people "Would you recommend Arch for a newbie?" Not because I have any intention of using Arch, but their answer to that question helps me judge the quality of their advice going forward.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    It really depends on whether they're an enthusiast excited about it or they're just trying to ditch windows...

    9/10 times, no.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

    I don't recommend things based on if people are new to it or not. I recommend things based on if they read and are willing to learn or not.

    If you don't read, arch is not a good distro for you.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago

    Eh, rolling release distros are great for gaming. I recommend it enthusiasts (noob or not) and gamers. If you just need a rock solid platform for a server or browsing the web / word processing then sure slap some Debian or Fedora on there and call it a day.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Honestly, if you are new to Linux and are making the switch because you enjoy customisation and tinkering, a manual Arch install is the way to go. It's fun and you learn a lot, while still having a good OS.

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    Archwiki and archinstall are amazing

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    [–] 23 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    One time I was eating at an Indian restaurant that had a 5-star heat scale, and then "Indian hot" which was just another level beyond the scale. I ordered 3 star heat and my buddy ordered "Indian hot." The waitress confirmed 3 times that was what he wanted (we're white).

    I was impressed that my friend was managing his meal pretty well so I asked if I could try it to compare. It wasn't any hotter than mine. I'm sure the chef took one look at him and was like "I'm not remaking this dish when that white boy can't eat what he ordered." Not like my friend would've been a dick about it or demanded another dish, but yeah I doubt he could've handled the heat level he asked for. In the end, the food was great and my buddy didn't feel cheated and didn't destroy his guts.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago*

    Indian place I used to live near had a similar system. Each time, I ask for Indian hot. They confirm. What they bring is not Indian hot. They ask about it, I tell them "this is really good, but next time, I'd like hotter"

    This goes on for freaking forever before he finally makes a dish that's genuinely hot, and it's great, but I can do more. Lol. The next time I come in, I tell them hotter than last time, and he says he'll make it like he does for his own mom.

    Lit me up. It was really good. Not too hot for me, but hot enough that I'm pushing my limits. He asks after the meal, and I tell him it was hot enough. He says "good. I won't make any hotter! That's hot enough!" Haha

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    It's tough for a distro to have both a strong newbie community and a strong old-timers community at the same time. Well done Arch community!

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    Went to a family-run Indian place in Cornwall looking for vindaloo, but the guy talked me down to a madras. Good thing cuz it was right on the edge of my tolerance level. I couldn't have eaten their vindaloo.

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    [–] 17 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    As someone that was already in the IT realm professionally, and had previously dabbled with Linux on old hardware I decided that I would take the plunge. Trial by fire if you will.

    Every distribution I had tried up to Arch didn't sit well with me. At least not to replace my Windows install. On the same note; I hated that I could only delve so deep into understanding my Windows system. And I absolutely despise the data greed from Microsoft as well.

    It was time to take matters into my own hands. What better way for me to learn than to "build it myself."

    The Arch Wiki was a huge help. First install I ever did I neglected to use archinstall. Just so that I could grasp some of the concepts of what archinstall was doinig.

    The more and more I used Arch, the more and more I learned.

    Arch has been the distribution for me. It has offered me everything that I need, and everything that I want. It has become mine to a degree that I am comfortable. It has taught me so much that it makes using other Linux distributions natural. The only real difference is that other distributions I use I just have to learn what underlying services and such are on it, and even then, the Arch Wiki has me covered.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

    I feel like a crack dealer right now, but, have you heard of Linux from Scratch?

    I get what you mean with build it yourself, but Arch is more or less like a lego kit. LFS is the material manifestation of the concept of madness. I did it once, it was fun, it was crazy, I don't want to ever do it again. Afterwards I immediately switched my main machine from Arch to Mint. I have a deeper understanding of how an OS works under the hood now, and a strong appreciation for the work put forth by distro maintainers. All I want now is a system that works straight away. I no longer want to build myself anything. Tinkering is a hobby, I need a working tool. Today I use Bazzite and all my tinkering is devoted to how can I make rare old games run on Linux. It's the difference between buying a chair and taking up carpentry as a hobby.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Man, that Indian restaurant reference is just fucking spot on

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    One of my biggest mistakes was ordering "spicy" level Thai food. Took me about a week to finish it because I could only handle one bite every few hours.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    One local Thai shop had the sense to offer both "$nationality spicy" and "thai spicy"

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  • [–] 15 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    That hole was made for me!

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    Going to an Indian restaurant and asking for a lot of spice can work… if you’re a veteran of Thai or Mexican spice first

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I don't see what's so hard about arch compared to debian. Different package manager, great wiki.

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