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[–] 117 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I mean the problem with any projection of earth onto a 2d simplified shape surface is that it will be inherently distorted. The Mercator projection is scaled properly towards the equator but has to scale upwards more and more toward the poles to be able to fit the given area.

Even their own map, which for some reason isn’t shown in either the video or on the main page, isn’t accurate either. It’s better but is also warped in its own way, it would be nice if they had a little blurb that says something to that effect.

Here’s the actual map projection they are pushing for; https://equal-earth.com/equal-earth-projection.html

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  • [–] 140 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Fuck that. Let's go for the euler spiral.

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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It seems like the kind of thing that would give rise to the ~ Earth movement

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  • [–] 86 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Since this article gave you everything except the one thing you want to see, here's what the Equal Earth projection looks like

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yes, it is an awful website with an awful promotion video. Sizing the countries down but not connecting them and not showing you the world map as it would look like in total is absolutely not furthering the cause. I'm so mad I'm not sure I even want to sign the petition to be honest. Granted, my school atlas did not have the mercator projection.

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    [–] 73 points 1 year ago* (3 children)
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    [–] 72 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    This will never happen as long as Big Greenland pulls the strings of power in the cartography world.

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    [–] 45 points 1 year ago

    Faithfully projecting a globe onto a flat surface is impossible and all projections have to balance a number of compromises. Mercator retains compass directions and the shapes of land masses but entirely sacrifices relative scale between equatorial regions and polar regions. This makes it great for navigating a 17th century vessel. Other projections strike a different balance, like this one, and sacrifice compass direction and land mass shapes in order to perfectly retain scale. On this map, my little Arctic island looks like someone stepped on it.

    IMO a balanced projection will compromise on all the nice properties a projection can have, and if that isn't acceptable, then get a globe.

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  • [+] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    The site has several pretty bad design issues. Aside from not having an image of the thing they're trying to convince you to support, the page is unreadable in dark mode, and uses a laggy mouse cursor that feels like I'm back on Geocities.

    You'd think that, given the nature of this project, that these sorts of optics would be something that team would be more capable of handling.

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    [–] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

    By signing the petition you take a stand against a false narrative that downplays Africa’s vast size and diversity as the second-largest continent, reducing its perceived importance in global politics and economics. You can correct the narrative.

    I'll be real here, I have no idea what these people are talking about. The way Africa looked on maps has never had any bearing on my or probably anyone's thinking of how important the continent is in global politics or economics. If someone thinks "country/continent looks small so they must be unimportant," they are either a child or a fool. Or both.

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  • [–] [S] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I somewhat agree, Africa never looked small imo. However Russia, Greenland, Canada etc are so comically oversized that it absolutely makes a difference imo.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Its a distorted representation of what the Earth looks like, and regardless of the way the sphere of our Earth is displayed on a 2D plane, it will always be distorted.

    I don't see any tangible benefit from changing what has already worked and is globally accepted for many decades. It seems kinda nitpicky, or like these people are clout chasing or something.

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    [–] 40 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    This is such a garbage take. There is no way to “show our world as it truly is” in two dimensions. I’m all about showing other projects and orientations. Classrooms should have “upside down” maps and Albert maps for example. But we should also teach that each projection has benefits and drawbacks. I was taught that decades ago. Have we stopped?

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    [–] 33 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    i think the best solution (besides globes which are impractical on screens/posters) is having no standard, expose kids in school to 3 or 4 different projections so they learn there's no standard and all protections are as valid and all with drawbacks and advantages.

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    [–] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The Mercator projection was great for navigating oceans, baring remain correct. There are thousands of other map projections that do a better job preserving size, shape, directions, and distances. Any projection will be a tradeoff between these.

    As far as I know the Mercator projection has mostly fallen out of use in education, and I don’t think there’s any standard that requires it anywhere. So I’m not sure exactly what this is about.

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    [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's a bit hard to find out where it actually originated from and who's behind it. Judjing by their social media handlers, it's a marketing agency Hello Makeda. Maybe it's just me, but I don't trust marketing agencies to be good judges on geographical projects.

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    [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Okay... but doesn't this just introduce the issue of flat maps distorting anything to the east or west of center in a different way?

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    DYMAXION MAP OR GTFO

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    It has less distortion of relative size of areas, most notably when compared to the Mercator projection; and less distortion of shapes of areas, notably when compared to the Gall–Peters projection. Other compromise projections attempt a similar trade-off.

    More unusually, the Dymaxion map does not have any "right way up". Fuller argued that in the universe there is no "up" and "down", or "north" and "south": only "in" and "out".[9] Gravitational forces of the stars and planets created "in", meaning "towards the gravitational center", and "out", meaning "away from the gravitational center". He attributed the north-up-superior/south-down-inferior presentation of most other world maps to cultural bias.

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    [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    CMV: this movement only matters to stupid people, and does not qualify as something "I should know".

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    maybe a little abrasive in tone but i don’t totally disagree, this is kind of fucking dumb and i don’t understand why i’m seeing this everywhere rn.

    mercator hasn’t been ubiquitous in decades and when it is used today there’s usually an actual reasoning, however valid one decides it to be.

    what the fuck are these people talking about?

    a campaign for this? what, are we going to campaign to cease the use of subway maps next because they give a dishonest sense of size and scale of metros?

    this feels like weird distraction bait from things that actually matter.

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  • mercator hasn’t been ubiquitous in decades

    This is the correct take... The only time people care about maps these days are when they go to maps.google.com. And that's an actual 3d representation. Therefore this issue is such a non-fucking-issue that I don't understand why I've seen so much noise about it here.

    It's stupid.

    Does it matter that I don't know the actual size of Africa compared to Greenland? No... It's completely irrelevant to just about anyone's day to day life. And even if I did grow up on a map that was more accurate... You know what I'd likely miss out on then? Actual directionality which DOES matter more for a typical person.

    Looking at the other maps presented in these threads... They all lose the ability to reference NSEW compass directions.

    Except for one... and guess what... that one is the one that I actually remember from school. Or at least a variation close enough to it that can't make out any difference from my memory.

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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Firstly, I do think that projections which enlarge Europe and north America relative to the global south are a problem and every curriculum should include education about how this happens and what the world really looks like.

    But also, kinda funny how this project is very specifically about fairness for Africa. Why not include south America in there too?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Firstly, I do think that projections which enlarge Europe and north America relative to the global south are a problem and every curriculum should include education about how this happens and what the world really looks like.

    Honestly, at least in school you should use a globe to begin with. It is the best projection there is. I'm also pretty sure there are online "globes" that you can turn any way you want. Using a 2D projection is mostly unnecessary in education.

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    [–] 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Why does the map on the website need that draggable divider when both versions show both types of projection?

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    Just want to point out... their "equal" and "correct" map is missing New Zealand...

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    [–] 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I'm in the one and only line of work where Mercator makes sense, and even I hate Mercator.

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    [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Mercator distorts landmass to fit the grid, so it is good for navigation, simply draw a straight line between two points and follow it. Also, the plea on that site is just...weird. Africa is not taken seriously because it is displayed too small on maps - what? It is a large, chunky continent that can be compressed without too much detail loss - Europe, not so much.

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    [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    I kinda like the Winkel Triple or Kavrayskiy VII projections. They look a bit more natural compared to the Mercator.

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