Same with the USA
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God fucking dammit. Wrong move Carney. We are either going to be attached to America or China, and America is threatening our sovereignty.
The main reason China has had worsening relations with Canada and has been threatening to Canada at all is because we have been so closely allied with the US, and the US overtly wants to hamper China's development and even to overthrow their system of government.
The Meng Wanzhou thing was Canada purely going along with a brash US attack on a leading Chinese company, and it did tremendous and needless damage to Canada-China relations. China didn't start that. The US did, and Canada helped them do it.
Now, while the US has started acting towards Canada in a way a little more like it has treated countries throughout the Global South for decades, China is offering to partner with Canada to oppose the US abuses of the whole global system of trade. China isn't devastating Canada's economy. They've started buying our oil, which is good for our economy. They've been suggesting more open trade with us, and would no-doubt drop tarrifs on our agricultural products if we lowered our ridiculous tarrifs on their EVs, which we imposed at 100% just to please the US even though it's worse for the Canadian consumer and has been primarily beneficial to Tesla and Elon Musk, an overt fascist enabler of our biggest threat who also says we're not even a real country.
The US is the primary aggressor to worry about. They're holding military exercises this week with the Philippines on simulating all-out war with China and Trump appointed a bunch of guys who have years of advocating for war with China. He is waging economic war against China right now.
I support Carney wanting increased economic ties with Europe and more pivoting away from US dependence, but to treat China as an enemy and speak more harshly about them than even the US is something I really dislike. Opposing the foreign interference, asserting sovereignty in the Arctic, protecting Canadian markets to an extent that is reasonable and fair, these are all good things, but they can be done without making an enemy of China, especially while China is actually offering to work with us and to help us out in dealing with our biggest immediate threat.
The way people (especially on the left) talk about politics is very reminiscent of ancient anthropomorphism. People like to assign human emotions to countries in order to judge their relationships. Understanding the nuances of political structure is very difficult, and if you don't understand (I am one of them) it's better if people don't get involved.
This is extremely narrow and one-sided. This problem went both ways.
For example, when western diplomats went to China to negotiate trade, they were often thrown out for not bringing convoys of gold and silver as tribute just to talk to the Emperor, since in those days China was such a local superpower that the very concept that a foreign nation wouldn't kowtow and beg for scraps at the Emperor's feet didn't exist. They thought that diplomats daring to stand without groveling in front of the Emperor was a direct insult and verging on a declaration of war.
This is why so many western diplomats simply went around the Imperial court, which is also a significant reason why the opium wars happened (though not exclusively. The west is heavily to blame for escalating and taking advantage).
Both sides refused to back down, so it both underhanded means as well as military force was utilized. Neither side accepted to consider the other as an equal, so when a clash of needs and desires came about, physical domination was the only possible result. Nowadays, China is still using the same principals that the Emperors of eld held, but is trying to use the west's old methods back against them.
I wont say that the west isn't at fault at any point along the way, but China's means and motivations are equally as bad and there is no justification aside from greed, pride, and envy for what they are doing. People complain about all the stuff the CIA's been doing, but you have to ask yourselves, how do you justify China sending thousands of fishing boats just outside of Argentina's EEZ? You know, in Atlantic waters, not even Pacific ones.
And this isn't even starting on how China keeps making artificial islands in the south China seas to extend their claims on territorial waters, boxing in the Philippines, Indonesia, and the other local powers that are still so poor that the Halifax-class is more like a battleship compared to what their navies have.
This is simply history. You can read about it in normal everyday history books of any sort regardless of affiliation or background.
I'm not trying to give a one-sided impression of what happened, but simply counter-arguments to your statements, which is why I didn't bother to reiterate your own points. I'm not saying that what you said was all wrong, but that it was only half the story. I provided the other half. If you consider it illiterate propaganda, then I suppose all hail the Han dynasty and all of Earth awaits the day they overthrow the whites in Confucius glory or something.
Raise it's people out of poverty, right after starving the entire country almost into oblivion you mean? Rural Chinese aren't even that much better than where they were a hundred years ago. Hell, parts of rural China is far worse than it was back then since at least there wasn't any government interference beyond taxation back during the previous government.
Emperor Xi is not doing a single thing for the benefit of the Chinese people. Every single metric that can be backed up with physical evidence shows that China is in a serious decline right now, and it's entirely caused by their government. You say that China is justified in doing what it is doing, then you say that their aggression towards their neighbours in the South China Seas is justified? Ramming their fishing boats against coast guards? Sending thousands of fishing boats just outside of the EEZ of Argentina? Performing highly aggressive and potentially lethal stunts to harass neighbouring patrol planes doing completely legal and globally standard regional patrols because China decided to enact territorial laws that haven't been enforced the entire time the CCP had existed?
You are making completely bad-faith arguments. I'm not the one being racist here. Especially since I am a pure-blooded East Asian myself.
Total loser shameful move. Canada has unanimous loyalty to US propaganda among politicians and media, and deprogramming Canadians is essential. This is hopefully just political baby kissing, but Canada is F'd if its only option is to submit to US empire.
Lmao, ur saying that we should totally align ourselves with CHINA out of all nations
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