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i will never understand scientific fraud (files.catbox.moe)
submitted 2 years ago* by to c/science_memes@mander.xyz
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like you go to the not-believing-until-seeing convention with lies and what? expect to get away with it?

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[+] 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    From the outside it's not obvious how many variables influence scientific research that have absolutely nothing to do with science or the pursuit of knowledge and truth.

    Being scientifically literate is insufficient. We must also be highly sceptical and apply critical thinking to the work of other scientists, particularly when large sums of money are involved and the inevitable conflicts of interest that entails.

    People with money are able to fund research but they will never be scientists because they are only interested in what is true to the extent it will make money.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    This kind of behavior would still exist without money. People would still fake stuff for the clout.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Sure but money motivates more people than clout alone

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    That's only because money exists. If you removed money from the equation, clout would be the new currency that everyone lies and cheats for.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    But being caught in a lie would destroy your clout instantly. If they're competing for clout there would be a big incentive to prove the competition wrong.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    There is something to that, in that money gained will be kept (unless lawsuits can claw it away for fraud), but with both scenarios the ethically lacking individual would still have enjoyed the time until they were caught and future money/clout would both be hampered.

    As for competition, that sounds the same to me. There is already competition for positions and grants, etc.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Nah. Money is simply the mechanism that reveals true character.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    That is absolute nonsense. Where does the idea that the nastiest expression of desires is the truest come from? It's a completely absurd and unverifiable idea.

    People do stuff, putting people in power over others tends to result in the people doing worse stuff. The variable we can tweak here is the power.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I mean, science doesn't pay for itself. You need libraries, you need universities, you need equipment. Only a mathematician can get by with a $5 black board and stack of chalk, and even then not very well.

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