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PAYDAY 3 will use Denuvo anti-piracy technology in its PC version (gamerkick.com)
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The official Steam page for Deep Silver and Starbreeze’s PAYDAY 3 game has been updated to show the use of this ever-controversial third-party DRM.

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[–] 132 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (3 children)

I like to use Denuvo as an indicator of a bad release. For someone with over 3k hours on PAYDAY 2, I just cancelled my preorder.

Thank you for the fun times OVERKILL, sad to see you go this way.

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  • [–] 85 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Don't forget KSP2! Worst €50 I've spent.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    It's out? And it's bad?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Yes, and yes. It lacks a lot of features, the performance is terrible and it has a tonne of bugs. It's like taking KSP and swapping the times when it glitches when the times it doesn't. That's how bad it is.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    What was broken in Returnal on launch? Unless you mean the pc relaunch, I didn’t pay attention to that.

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  • [+] -1 points 3 years ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    What was broken about Returnal?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    What's the risk when I can just return it if the game is shit after playing it for almost 2 hours?

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  • [+] -9 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    It really depends. There are some fan-fucking-tastic games that I did preorder, like FFXVI, Metro Exodus, SF6, TLOU:2 (I didn't like the story, gameplay + graphics saved it for me), Zelda: TOTK, Elden Ring... the list goes on.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    I don't know a lot about Denuvo, is it a bad thing? Why did you cancel your pre order based on that?

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  • [–] 65 points 3 years ago

    It's a DRM scheme to protect against piracy. Over the years I saw more and more shitty titles use Denuvo on release because God forbid someone steal their cash grab. A lot of titles that are of quality usually do not see the need for Denuvo.

    Therefore, nowadays, for me Denuvo serves as an indicator of a potentially shitty release. They slap Denuvo on top of it so that they can pump & dump.

    Maybe I'll buy the game when it's on sale, but for now I am too skeptical, especially since slapping additional DRM on an already DRM'd game (it's multiplayer only and always online, unlike previous parts that allowed offline play) does not make any sense to me.

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  • [–] 40 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    Edit: Seems the below statement was factually incorrect. Oops!

    It's a very obnoxious and heavy-handed approach to anti-piracy measures. It slows down games, kills framerates, gives users a whole host of other performance issues, and just makes the experience worse overall. It's a product that doesn't even seem to care to improve, because they make their money from publishers, not the people who buy and play the game. Many people hate it, and I believe it's absolutely justified.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    There isn’t a lot of evidence to back these claims up. For most users, it’s entirely transparent. You would never know a game shipped with Denuvo unless your first launch is offline and it fails to authenticate.

    There have been games that had their performance impacted, but I don’t think it’s the norm. Games like Doom 2016 shipped with it and saw no performance gains when Denuvo was eventually patched out. I think titles like Rime and RE8 are usually the exception, but it’s something I always watch out for in reviews. If a game runs bad, I don’t buy it, regardless of the cause.

    Denuvo has proven successful for 2 reasons:

    1. It’s actually effective. Games go months or even years without a crack.

    2. It’s nowhere near as draconian as what came before (TAGES, StarForce, SecuROM, etc). Most players aren’t even aware of its existence. They just buy these games on Steam and they work, which is why all the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth that goes on in these threads never accomplishes anything.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Honest question here. Could it be possibly that as they improved their DRM with more triggers and methods that it has started to impact performance since 2016?

    As Empress was cracking Denuvo, I wouldnt be surprised if they started to quickly add extra defencive measures compromising what could have been optimised in the past.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    I don’t think so, because it has become less common over time for Denuvo to be the cause of bad performance. Doom 2016 is an early good example, likely because Id Software takes optimization very seriously. Stories of games having bad performance due to DRM were a lot more common back then. The worst example I can recall was Rime in 2017, which was borderline unplayable until the developers removed Denuvo in a patch.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    So, I went back and tried to look for a source, but you're right. Thanks for informing me! From the few sources I read, those issues were debunked, exaggerated, or due to bad implementation. I want to add that I still don't like the idea of Denuvo (or any other DRM) on digital media that I purchase, but that's a different topic.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 years ago

    There have been instances where it worsens performance. My computer is mid tier-ish at this point (3070, i7 10700k) and I haven't noticed any poor performance from games running Denuvo (latest I tried Dead Island 2). It's likely worse performance loss on older systems, but those older systems probably can't run new AAA games well as it is.

    I think most people don't like the fact that it takes a while to crack games running Denuvo, so they're not able to be pirated for that time.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The fact that you even gave them money and had a preorder to cancel in the first place means you're part of the problem, my friend.

    Stop preordering.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    I usually don't preorder games, PAYDAY is the exception, I have over 1k hours in the first game and over 3k hours in the second game.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago

    Doesn't matter. People said the same shit about having thousands of hours in CD projeckt red games and then we're disappointed in cyberpunk

    "Don't preorder games" doesn't mean "don't preorder unless it's your favorite series".

    It means don't fucking give anybody money for a game that's not fucking out yet, period.

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