▲ 615 ▼ Alberta woman dies after being denied transplant for refusing to get COVID vaccine (nationalpost.com) submitted 2 years ago by MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca to c/canada@lemmy.ca 452 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] freeindv@monyet.cc -22 points 2 years ago (3 children) No, it was not her choice to die. Don't be ridiculous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] regalia@literature.cafe 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) It literally was. She had the choice to get vaccinated and get it. She choose not to and die. That is an extremely easy choice. Which part of that is not having a choice? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freeindv@monyet.cc -18 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, she did not choose to die permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] regalia@literature.cafe 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) In what world does this make sense to you. She choose to die because she didn't want the vaccine. Is point A to point B just not connecting to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freeindv@monyet.cc -17 points 2 years ago (3 children) She's not choosing to die, they're choosing to kill her permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you're choosing to jump off a cliff because it offends you to walk on a paved road and you're being offered to walk on the paved road then it really is your own fault. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freeindv@monyet.cc -11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Doesn't fit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] regalia@literature.cafe 4 points 2 years ago You're given a very reasonable and next to no effort choice. You're choosing against that and choosing to hurt yourself by not picking that option. Except in this case you're also hurting others around you. It's like you're suggesting it's the grounds fault that she died when she choose to launch herself off the cliff, she could've just taken the paved road for no effort. permalink fedilink source parent [–] regalia@literature.cafe 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You have to be trolling at this point permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wiz@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's like arguing with ChatGpt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] regalia@literature.cafe 4 points 2 years ago* Sure, here are some ways to be annoying online! Being incredibly dense Keep ignoring what's being said. Remember, bringing down the other person to your level means you won the disagreement! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auzy@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago* They're choosing not to kill 2 people instead of 1. It's no different to prioritising someone who has never smoked instead of a smoker. The person who doesn't smoke has a better chance of survival permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeFantome@programming.dev 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) “It was not her choice to die”. Please explain. It looks to me like it very much was. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freeindv@monyet.cc -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) She did not make the choice to die, someone else made the choice to refuse to help her permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Wiz@midwest.social 13 points 2 years ago* She refused to do all of the things necessary to get a transplant. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeFantome@programming.dev 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Incorrect. If I was drowning in a raging river and somebody threw me a rope, I could refuse the rope and demand that somebody else risk their life to swim out to get me. When they refuse, I am not going to say that they made the choice for me. I chose to die. I understand that I am not going to convince you. That is fine. That does not change the fact that they gave her the choice and told her the steps she needed to take. The choice was hers and she chose. The fact that they did not decide to risk or kill somebody else waiting for that organ to accommodate her “choice” does not transfer the responsibility to them. It is tragic to see somebody destroyed by their choices. That said, I am glad that somebody that was willing to save their own life got a chance at that organ instead. I hope that nobody that I care about is ever impacted by the kind of decision making you are defending here ( the woman who refused the organ that could have saved her life ). permalink fedilink source parent [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago The "my body my choice, I should be allowed to take that risk" crowd when the risk turns out poorly for them. "She didn't choose to risk her life by not getting the vaccine. She chose to risk your life by not getting the vaccine!" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] regalia@literature.cafe 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) It literally was. She had the choice to get vaccinated and get it. She choose not to and die. That is an extremely easy choice. Which part of that is not having a choice? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freeindv@monyet.cc -18 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, she did not choose to die permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] regalia@literature.cafe 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) In what world does this make sense to you. She choose to die because she didn't want the vaccine. Is point A to point B just not connecting to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freeindv@monyet.cc -17 points 2 years ago (3 children) She's not choosing to die, they're choosing to kill her permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you're choosing to jump off a cliff because it offends you to walk on a paved road and you're being offered to walk on the paved road then it really is your own fault. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freeindv@monyet.cc -11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Doesn't fit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] regalia@literature.cafe 4 points 2 years ago You're given a very reasonable and next to no effort choice. You're choosing against that and choosing to hurt yourself by not picking that option. Except in this case you're also hurting others around you. It's like you're suggesting it's the grounds fault that she died when she choose to launch herself off the cliff, she could've just taken the paved road for no effort. permalink fedilink source parent [–] regalia@literature.cafe 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You have to be trolling at this point permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wiz@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's like arguing with ChatGpt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] regalia@literature.cafe 4 points 2 years ago* Sure, here are some ways to be annoying online! Being incredibly dense Keep ignoring what's being said. Remember, bringing down the other person to your level means you won the disagreement! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auzy@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago* They're choosing not to kill 2 people instead of 1. It's no different to prioritising someone who has never smoked instead of a smoker. The person who doesn't smoke has a better chance of survival permalink fedilink source parent
[+] freeindv@monyet.cc -18 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, she did not choose to die permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] regalia@literature.cafe 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) In what world does this make sense to you. She choose to die because she didn't want the vaccine. Is point A to point B just not connecting to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freeindv@monyet.cc -17 points 2 years ago (3 children) She's not choosing to die, they're choosing to kill her permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you're choosing to jump off a cliff because it offends you to walk on a paved road and you're being offered to walk on the paved road then it really is your own fault. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freeindv@monyet.cc -11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Doesn't fit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] regalia@literature.cafe 4 points 2 years ago You're given a very reasonable and next to no effort choice. You're choosing against that and choosing to hurt yourself by not picking that option. Except in this case you're also hurting others around you. It's like you're suggesting it's the grounds fault that she died when she choose to launch herself off the cliff, she could've just taken the paved road for no effort. permalink fedilink source parent [–] regalia@literature.cafe 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You have to be trolling at this point permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wiz@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's like arguing with ChatGpt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] regalia@literature.cafe 4 points 2 years ago* Sure, here are some ways to be annoying online! Being incredibly dense Keep ignoring what's being said. Remember, bringing down the other person to your level means you won the disagreement! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auzy@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago* They're choosing not to kill 2 people instead of 1. It's no different to prioritising someone who has never smoked instead of a smoker. The person who doesn't smoke has a better chance of survival permalink fedilink source parent
[–] regalia@literature.cafe 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) In what world does this make sense to you. She choose to die because she didn't want the vaccine. Is point A to point B just not connecting to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freeindv@monyet.cc -17 points 2 years ago (3 children) She's not choosing to die, they're choosing to kill her permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you're choosing to jump off a cliff because it offends you to walk on a paved road and you're being offered to walk on the paved road then it really is your own fault. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freeindv@monyet.cc -11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Doesn't fit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] regalia@literature.cafe 4 points 2 years ago You're given a very reasonable and next to no effort choice. You're choosing against that and choosing to hurt yourself by not picking that option. Except in this case you're also hurting others around you. It's like you're suggesting it's the grounds fault that she died when she choose to launch herself off the cliff, she could've just taken the paved road for no effort. permalink fedilink source parent [–] regalia@literature.cafe 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You have to be trolling at this point permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wiz@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's like arguing with ChatGpt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] regalia@literature.cafe 4 points 2 years ago* Sure, here are some ways to be annoying online! Being incredibly dense Keep ignoring what's being said. Remember, bringing down the other person to your level means you won the disagreement! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auzy@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago* They're choosing not to kill 2 people instead of 1. It's no different to prioritising someone who has never smoked instead of a smoker. The person who doesn't smoke has a better chance of survival permalink fedilink source parent
[+] freeindv@monyet.cc -17 points 2 years ago (3 children) She's not choosing to die, they're choosing to kill her permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you're choosing to jump off a cliff because it offends you to walk on a paved road and you're being offered to walk on the paved road then it really is your own fault. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freeindv@monyet.cc -11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Doesn't fit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] regalia@literature.cafe 4 points 2 years ago You're given a very reasonable and next to no effort choice. You're choosing against that and choosing to hurt yourself by not picking that option. Except in this case you're also hurting others around you. It's like you're suggesting it's the grounds fault that she died when she choose to launch herself off the cliff, she could've just taken the paved road for no effort. permalink fedilink source parent [–] regalia@literature.cafe 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You have to be trolling at this point permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wiz@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's like arguing with ChatGpt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] regalia@literature.cafe 4 points 2 years ago* Sure, here are some ways to be annoying online! Being incredibly dense Keep ignoring what's being said. Remember, bringing down the other person to your level means you won the disagreement! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auzy@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago* They're choosing not to kill 2 people instead of 1. It's no different to prioritising someone who has never smoked instead of a smoker. The person who doesn't smoke has a better chance of survival permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you're choosing to jump off a cliff because it offends you to walk on a paved road and you're being offered to walk on the paved road then it really is your own fault. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freeindv@monyet.cc -11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Doesn't fit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] regalia@literature.cafe 4 points 2 years ago You're given a very reasonable and next to no effort choice. You're choosing against that and choosing to hurt yourself by not picking that option. Except in this case you're also hurting others around you. It's like you're suggesting it's the grounds fault that she died when she choose to launch herself off the cliff, she could've just taken the paved road for no effort. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] freeindv@monyet.cc -11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Doesn't fit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] regalia@literature.cafe 4 points 2 years ago You're given a very reasonable and next to no effort choice. You're choosing against that and choosing to hurt yourself by not picking that option. Except in this case you're also hurting others around you. It's like you're suggesting it's the grounds fault that she died when she choose to launch herself off the cliff, she could've just taken the paved road for no effort. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] regalia@literature.cafe 4 points 2 years ago You're given a very reasonable and next to no effort choice. You're choosing against that and choosing to hurt yourself by not picking that option. Except in this case you're also hurting others around you. It's like you're suggesting it's the grounds fault that she died when she choose to launch herself off the cliff, she could've just taken the paved road for no effort. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] regalia@literature.cafe 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You have to be trolling at this point permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wiz@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's like arguing with ChatGpt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] regalia@literature.cafe 4 points 2 years ago* Sure, here are some ways to be annoying online! Being incredibly dense Keep ignoring what's being said. Remember, bringing down the other person to your level means you won the disagreement! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wiz@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's like arguing with ChatGpt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] regalia@literature.cafe 4 points 2 years ago* Sure, here are some ways to be annoying online! Being incredibly dense Keep ignoring what's being said. Remember, bringing down the other person to your level means you won the disagreement! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] regalia@literature.cafe 4 points 2 years ago* Sure, here are some ways to be annoying online! Being incredibly dense Keep ignoring what's being said. Remember, bringing down the other person to your level means you won the disagreement! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Auzy@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago* They're choosing not to kill 2 people instead of 1. It's no different to prioritising someone who has never smoked instead of a smoker. The person who doesn't smoke has a better chance of survival permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) “It was not her choice to die”. Please explain. It looks to me like it very much was. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freeindv@monyet.cc -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) She did not make the choice to die, someone else made the choice to refuse to help her permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Wiz@midwest.social 13 points 2 years ago* She refused to do all of the things necessary to get a transplant. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeFantome@programming.dev 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Incorrect. If I was drowning in a raging river and somebody threw me a rope, I could refuse the rope and demand that somebody else risk their life to swim out to get me. When they refuse, I am not going to say that they made the choice for me. I chose to die. I understand that I am not going to convince you. That is fine. That does not change the fact that they gave her the choice and told her the steps she needed to take. The choice was hers and she chose. The fact that they did not decide to risk or kill somebody else waiting for that organ to accommodate her “choice” does not transfer the responsibility to them. It is tragic to see somebody destroyed by their choices. That said, I am glad that somebody that was willing to save their own life got a chance at that organ instead. I hope that nobody that I care about is ever impacted by the kind of decision making you are defending here ( the woman who refused the organ that could have saved her life ). permalink fedilink source parent
[+] freeindv@monyet.cc -12 points 2 years ago (2 children) She did not make the choice to die, someone else made the choice to refuse to help her permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Wiz@midwest.social 13 points 2 years ago* She refused to do all of the things necessary to get a transplant. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LeFantome@programming.dev 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Incorrect. If I was drowning in a raging river and somebody threw me a rope, I could refuse the rope and demand that somebody else risk their life to swim out to get me. When they refuse, I am not going to say that they made the choice for me. I chose to die. I understand that I am not going to convince you. That is fine. That does not change the fact that they gave her the choice and told her the steps she needed to take. The choice was hers and she chose. The fact that they did not decide to risk or kill somebody else waiting for that organ to accommodate her “choice” does not transfer the responsibility to them. It is tragic to see somebody destroyed by their choices. That said, I am glad that somebody that was willing to save their own life got a chance at that organ instead. I hope that nobody that I care about is ever impacted by the kind of decision making you are defending here ( the woman who refused the organ that could have saved her life ). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wiz@midwest.social 13 points 2 years ago* She refused to do all of the things necessary to get a transplant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Incorrect. If I was drowning in a raging river and somebody threw me a rope, I could refuse the rope and demand that somebody else risk their life to swim out to get me. When they refuse, I am not going to say that they made the choice for me. I chose to die. I understand that I am not going to convince you. That is fine. That does not change the fact that they gave her the choice and told her the steps she needed to take. The choice was hers and she chose. The fact that they did not decide to risk or kill somebody else waiting for that organ to accommodate her “choice” does not transfer the responsibility to them. It is tragic to see somebody destroyed by their choices. That said, I am glad that somebody that was willing to save their own life got a chance at that organ instead. I hope that nobody that I care about is ever impacted by the kind of decision making you are defending here ( the woman who refused the organ that could have saved her life ). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago The "my body my choice, I should be allowed to take that risk" crowd when the risk turns out poorly for them. "She didn't choose to risk her life by not getting the vaccine. She chose to risk your life by not getting the vaccine!" permalink fedilink source parent