▲ 228 ▼ Tekken 8 players divided as devs add “Tekken Shop” with microtransactions (www.dexerto.com) submitted 2 years ago by inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world to c/games@lemmy.world 64 comments fedilink hide all child comments I guess this is probably going to be the new shitty norm with bait and switch for reviews then nickel and dime afterwards.
[–] B0NK3RS@lemmy.world 108 points 2 years ago (5 children) Adding micro transactions after release is bullshit. There should be rules where it needs to be in from release or not. permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago (2 children) Right. Some people wouldn't bother with a game at all if they knew there would be this. It's very deceptive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@midwest.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Knowing they were charging for new characters was almost a dealbreaker for me. This would have stopped me if I had known. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cort@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* Paying extra for characters IS a deal breaker for me in fighting games. It's literally pay to win. That said, I've been playing Tekken since ps1, so I'll probably just pirate this whenever it's available. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Chozo@kbin.social -17 points 2 years ago (2 children) Some people wouldn’t bother with a game at all if they knew there would be this. Perhaps if this was unusual for the genre. But it's a AAA fighting game. Anybody who is familiar with the genre knows that MTX is normal and expected, because it's going to have several years of support from the developers. I'd have a hard time believing that any Tekken fan bought this on the premise of it remaining MTX-free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Jomega@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Something being normalized doesn't automatically make it morally okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Chozo@kbin.social -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Doesn't it, though? This is what the players wanted, and the industry listened. They asked for support for the game after its release, and the industry said "Sure, but in exchange at least some of you should pay extra". This isn't forced upon anybody. Just because Mazaratis exist doesn't mean that you have to buy one if you want a car. It only becomes a moral problem if somebody's choices are circumvented, but that's not really what's happening here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jomega@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Doesn't it, though? It used to normal to beat your kids. It was wrong then and it's wrong now. This is what the players wanted, and the industry listened. The reason we are having this conversation in the first place is because people didn't want it. This isn't forced upon anybody. They added it the game post-launch, after reviews had already come out. Anyone morally opposed to micro transactions (which as I'll get to in next point, have a very good reason to be opposed to on principle) who had bought the game has been tricked into supporting a business practice they despise. This is incredibly scummy and should rightfully be seen as a dick move. It only becomes a moral problem if somebody's choices are circumvented, but that's not really what's happening here. Micro transactions as a concept are strategically designed to exploit people with addictive personalities. This is not a theory on my part, this is legitimately what the intent behind them is. But don't take my word for it, here's a video discussing that very thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yamanii@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago There's a pretty big difference between new gameplay (characters) and cosmetics that were clearly removed to be sold. permalink fedilink source parent [–] caut_R@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wait until the reviews are out so people can‘t be warned, and the product can’t be dunked on and then… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly. If they'd announced this before launch, it would've been the only thing anyone talked about. There would have been a huge backlash and I'm sure a good percentage of the community would've dumped the series there and then. This is doubly scummy. Glad I didn't buy it yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Chozo@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago If they’d announced this before launch, it would’ve been the only thing anyone talked about. Not really. It'd hardly have been mentioned, at all. MTX are a part of every major fighting game, so it's hardly a newsworthy tidbit. They're completely expected in this genre. Any major competitive game that gets developer support after release is going to be funded either by microtransactions or subscriptions. The people who actually play these games know this. permalink fedilink source parent [–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) If they place something behind MTs, then I completely agree. But, if they want to add more cosmetics that don't exist yet, and they finance it MTs, and at a fair price, it's less unethical. Announcing it after reviews... Hm. Sketchy at best. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilflish@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago If you tried the customisation, it feels extremely bare bones in comparison to Tekken 7. So I wouldn't be surprised if stuff was removed to add to the Store. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mlg@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) TF2? but tbf that basically invented the lootbox which then made TF2 free to play permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago At least they made it free to play. These games are still charging full price plus microtransactions permalink fedilink source parent [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) TF2 was a better experience before it went free-to-play. I want a barrier that keeps the hordes of clueless children out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] B0NK3RS@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago TF2 before F2P was one of, if not the, best multiplayer games. It just wasn't the same after that and good community servers died out. permalink fedilink source parent [–] red@sopuli.xyz -2 points 2 years ago Adding shit to a game with a patch, post purchase, doesn't require you to partake. While I hate MTX as much as anyone, you aren't required to buy anything. Sure, this is enshittification, but you can avoid that buy buying games that aren't "always online". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago (2 children) Right. Some people wouldn't bother with a game at all if they knew there would be this. It's very deceptive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@midwest.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Knowing they were charging for new characters was almost a dealbreaker for me. This would have stopped me if I had known. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cort@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* Paying extra for characters IS a deal breaker for me in fighting games. It's literally pay to win. That said, I've been playing Tekken since ps1, so I'll probably just pirate this whenever it's available. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Chozo@kbin.social -17 points 2 years ago (2 children) Some people wouldn’t bother with a game at all if they knew there would be this. Perhaps if this was unusual for the genre. But it's a AAA fighting game. Anybody who is familiar with the genre knows that MTX is normal and expected, because it's going to have several years of support from the developers. I'd have a hard time believing that any Tekken fan bought this on the premise of it remaining MTX-free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Jomega@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Something being normalized doesn't automatically make it morally okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Chozo@kbin.social -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Doesn't it, though? This is what the players wanted, and the industry listened. They asked for support for the game after its release, and the industry said "Sure, but in exchange at least some of you should pay extra". This isn't forced upon anybody. Just because Mazaratis exist doesn't mean that you have to buy one if you want a car. It only becomes a moral problem if somebody's choices are circumvented, but that's not really what's happening here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jomega@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Doesn't it, though? It used to normal to beat your kids. It was wrong then and it's wrong now. This is what the players wanted, and the industry listened. The reason we are having this conversation in the first place is because people didn't want it. This isn't forced upon anybody. They added it the game post-launch, after reviews had already come out. Anyone morally opposed to micro transactions (which as I'll get to in next point, have a very good reason to be opposed to on principle) who had bought the game has been tricked into supporting a business practice they despise. This is incredibly scummy and should rightfully be seen as a dick move. It only becomes a moral problem if somebody's choices are circumvented, but that's not really what's happening here. Micro transactions as a concept are strategically designed to exploit people with addictive personalities. This is not a theory on my part, this is legitimately what the intent behind them is. But don't take my word for it, here's a video discussing that very thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yamanii@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago There's a pretty big difference between new gameplay (characters) and cosmetics that were clearly removed to be sold. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snooggums@midwest.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Knowing they were charging for new characters was almost a dealbreaker for me. This would have stopped me if I had known. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cort@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* Paying extra for characters IS a deal breaker for me in fighting games. It's literally pay to win. That said, I've been playing Tekken since ps1, so I'll probably just pirate this whenever it's available. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cort@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* Paying extra for characters IS a deal breaker for me in fighting games. It's literally pay to win. That said, I've been playing Tekken since ps1, so I'll probably just pirate this whenever it's available. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Chozo@kbin.social -17 points 2 years ago (2 children) Some people wouldn’t bother with a game at all if they knew there would be this. Perhaps if this was unusual for the genre. But it's a AAA fighting game. Anybody who is familiar with the genre knows that MTX is normal and expected, because it's going to have several years of support from the developers. I'd have a hard time believing that any Tekken fan bought this on the premise of it remaining MTX-free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Jomega@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Something being normalized doesn't automatically make it morally okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Chozo@kbin.social -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Doesn't it, though? This is what the players wanted, and the industry listened. They asked for support for the game after its release, and the industry said "Sure, but in exchange at least some of you should pay extra". This isn't forced upon anybody. Just because Mazaratis exist doesn't mean that you have to buy one if you want a car. It only becomes a moral problem if somebody's choices are circumvented, but that's not really what's happening here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jomega@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Doesn't it, though? It used to normal to beat your kids. It was wrong then and it's wrong now. This is what the players wanted, and the industry listened. The reason we are having this conversation in the first place is because people didn't want it. This isn't forced upon anybody. They added it the game post-launch, after reviews had already come out. Anyone morally opposed to micro transactions (which as I'll get to in next point, have a very good reason to be opposed to on principle) who had bought the game has been tricked into supporting a business practice they despise. This is incredibly scummy and should rightfully be seen as a dick move. It only becomes a moral problem if somebody's choices are circumvented, but that's not really what's happening here. Micro transactions as a concept are strategically designed to exploit people with addictive personalities. This is not a theory on my part, this is legitimately what the intent behind them is. But don't take my word for it, here's a video discussing that very thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yamanii@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago There's a pretty big difference between new gameplay (characters) and cosmetics that were clearly removed to be sold. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jomega@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Something being normalized doesn't automatically make it morally okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Chozo@kbin.social -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Doesn't it, though? This is what the players wanted, and the industry listened. They asked for support for the game after its release, and the industry said "Sure, but in exchange at least some of you should pay extra". This isn't forced upon anybody. Just because Mazaratis exist doesn't mean that you have to buy one if you want a car. It only becomes a moral problem if somebody's choices are circumvented, but that's not really what's happening here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jomega@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Doesn't it, though? It used to normal to beat your kids. It was wrong then and it's wrong now. This is what the players wanted, and the industry listened. The reason we are having this conversation in the first place is because people didn't want it. This isn't forced upon anybody. They added it the game post-launch, after reviews had already come out. Anyone morally opposed to micro transactions (which as I'll get to in next point, have a very good reason to be opposed to on principle) who had bought the game has been tricked into supporting a business practice they despise. This is incredibly scummy and should rightfully be seen as a dick move. It only becomes a moral problem if somebody's choices are circumvented, but that's not really what's happening here. Micro transactions as a concept are strategically designed to exploit people with addictive personalities. This is not a theory on my part, this is legitimately what the intent behind them is. But don't take my word for it, here's a video discussing that very thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Chozo@kbin.social -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Doesn't it, though? This is what the players wanted, and the industry listened. They asked for support for the game after its release, and the industry said "Sure, but in exchange at least some of you should pay extra". This isn't forced upon anybody. Just because Mazaratis exist doesn't mean that you have to buy one if you want a car. It only becomes a moral problem if somebody's choices are circumvented, but that's not really what's happening here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jomega@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Doesn't it, though? It used to normal to beat your kids. It was wrong then and it's wrong now. This is what the players wanted, and the industry listened. The reason we are having this conversation in the first place is because people didn't want it. This isn't forced upon anybody. They added it the game post-launch, after reviews had already come out. Anyone morally opposed to micro transactions (which as I'll get to in next point, have a very good reason to be opposed to on principle) who had bought the game has been tricked into supporting a business practice they despise. This is incredibly scummy and should rightfully be seen as a dick move. It only becomes a moral problem if somebody's choices are circumvented, but that's not really what's happening here. Micro transactions as a concept are strategically designed to exploit people with addictive personalities. This is not a theory on my part, this is legitimately what the intent behind them is. But don't take my word for it, here's a video discussing that very thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jomega@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Doesn't it, though? It used to normal to beat your kids. It was wrong then and it's wrong now. This is what the players wanted, and the industry listened. The reason we are having this conversation in the first place is because people didn't want it. This isn't forced upon anybody. They added it the game post-launch, after reviews had already come out. Anyone morally opposed to micro transactions (which as I'll get to in next point, have a very good reason to be opposed to on principle) who had bought the game has been tricked into supporting a business practice they despise. This is incredibly scummy and should rightfully be seen as a dick move. It only becomes a moral problem if somebody's choices are circumvented, but that's not really what's happening here. Micro transactions as a concept are strategically designed to exploit people with addictive personalities. This is not a theory on my part, this is legitimately what the intent behind them is. But don't take my word for it, here's a video discussing that very thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago There's a pretty big difference between new gameplay (characters) and cosmetics that were clearly removed to be sold. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] caut_R@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wait until the reviews are out so people can‘t be warned, and the product can’t be dunked on and then… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly. If they'd announced this before launch, it would've been the only thing anyone talked about. There would have been a huge backlash and I'm sure a good percentage of the community would've dumped the series there and then. This is doubly scummy. Glad I didn't buy it yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Chozo@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago If they’d announced this before launch, it would’ve been the only thing anyone talked about. Not really. It'd hardly have been mentioned, at all. MTX are a part of every major fighting game, so it's hardly a newsworthy tidbit. They're completely expected in this genre. Any major competitive game that gets developer support after release is going to be funded either by microtransactions or subscriptions. The people who actually play these games know this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly. If they'd announced this before launch, it would've been the only thing anyone talked about. There would have been a huge backlash and I'm sure a good percentage of the community would've dumped the series there and then. This is doubly scummy. Glad I didn't buy it yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Chozo@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago If they’d announced this before launch, it would’ve been the only thing anyone talked about. Not really. It'd hardly have been mentioned, at all. MTX are a part of every major fighting game, so it's hardly a newsworthy tidbit. They're completely expected in this genre. Any major competitive game that gets developer support after release is going to be funded either by microtransactions or subscriptions. The people who actually play these games know this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Chozo@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago If they’d announced this before launch, it would’ve been the only thing anyone talked about. Not really. It'd hardly have been mentioned, at all. MTX are a part of every major fighting game, so it's hardly a newsworthy tidbit. They're completely expected in this genre. Any major competitive game that gets developer support after release is going to be funded either by microtransactions or subscriptions. The people who actually play these games know this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) If they place something behind MTs, then I completely agree. But, if they want to add more cosmetics that don't exist yet, and they finance it MTs, and at a fair price, it's less unethical. Announcing it after reviews... Hm. Sketchy at best. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilflish@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago If you tried the customisation, it feels extremely bare bones in comparison to Tekken 7. So I wouldn't be surprised if stuff was removed to add to the Store. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilflish@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago If you tried the customisation, it feels extremely bare bones in comparison to Tekken 7. So I wouldn't be surprised if stuff was removed to add to the Store. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mlg@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) TF2? but tbf that basically invented the lootbox which then made TF2 free to play permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago At least they made it free to play. These games are still charging full price plus microtransactions permalink fedilink source parent [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) TF2 was a better experience before it went free-to-play. I want a barrier that keeps the hordes of clueless children out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] B0NK3RS@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago TF2 before F2P was one of, if not the, best multiplayer games. It just wasn't the same after that and good community servers died out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago At least they made it free to play. These games are still charging full price plus microtransactions permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) TF2 was a better experience before it went free-to-play. I want a barrier that keeps the hordes of clueless children out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] B0NK3RS@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago TF2 before F2P was one of, if not the, best multiplayer games. It just wasn't the same after that and good community servers died out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] B0NK3RS@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago TF2 before F2P was one of, if not the, best multiplayer games. It just wasn't the same after that and good community servers died out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] red@sopuli.xyz -2 points 2 years ago Adding shit to a game with a patch, post purchase, doesn't require you to partake. While I hate MTX as much as anyone, you aren't required to buy anything. Sure, this is enshittification, but you can avoid that buy buying games that aren't "always online". permalink fedilink source parent