▲ 578 ▼ Right-Wing Trolls Are Freaking Out After Learning They Can Get Sued For Calling People 'Groomers' On The Internet (pressprogress.ca) submitted 2 years ago by MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca to c/canada@lemmy.ca 168 comments fedilink hide all child comments Other right-wing accounts variously reacted by describing the move as Orwellian, lamenting the death of free speech and even contemplating leaving Canada for good. Oh no. Not that. Please no. <Tee hee!>
[+] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 92 points 2 years ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 33 points 2 years ago (2 children) litter boxes Not who you're replying to, but fuck, I forgot about that conspiracy. Ughhhh. I'm not LGBT, but I hate how they are mistreated and the fucking mental gymnastics and lengths people will do to hate you guys. It's fucking despicable. Grindr account -> harrassment Jesus, that's shitty. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Some dudes play the long game to get you to open up and then they post all of your stuff on the town pages and stuff calling you a groomer or a pedo. And the worst part is that most people believe the first thing they see/hear/read so all it takes is one rumour or malicious post and your entire life in the town is upside down. Can’t leave the house to go to the grocery store without someone sneering or making a remark. Rural Atlantic Canada is absolutely fucked and it wasn’t even this bad 3 years ago when I moved here. Looking to make my exit plan in the next year or so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Try a larger metro area if you can afford to. The established LGBT communities could probably help you feel a bit more welcome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) That’s the goal. I used to live in a metropolitan area but was priced out and moved more rurally but things now have gotten very very bad where I’m at. Saving some money and hoping I can sell the house before someone burns it down. I’m hoping I’m just being extreme at the last part 😭 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 years ago My heart goes out to you, dude. It sounds like a terrible situation. Hang in there. I'm rooting for you permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago I'd say move to someplace like the Cowichan Valley on Vancovuer Island, but even rural property is expensive. Maybe Edmonton? Urban, fairly progressive, cold (and therefore less expensive), lots of work. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gornar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And now precedent has been established for a lawsuit in this case, at least, despite it being an awful situation as a complete understatement permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago What do you mean permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago I’m sure they’re fully erect as they swipe through grindr, seething with anger and ejaculate looking to explode. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've got trans friends and family. I'm legitimately worried about their future permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) No offense by I’m littery worried about everyone’s future. It just seems the world is hell bent on diving off a cliff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago You're not wrong, but historically, the trans people are the first ones forced off that cliff permalink fedilink source parent [–] Evkob@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) I fully agree that Canada's not a progressive safe haven, but I think for now queer people are still better off pretty much anywhere in Canada than in Texas. Let's all agree that this isn't much of an accomplishment. However, I live in New-Brunswick, whose Conservative government has been at the forefront of the recent uprise in anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric in Canada. At work, I wear a pronoun pin. I've worn dresses and nail polish (as a person who was AMAB) out anywhere, from sketchy clubs downtown to Tim Horton's in rural villages. I've been made to feel uncomfortable at times, sure, but I've very rarely felt truly unsafe being visibly queer in Canada. From the perspectives of southern American queers I've read, that doesn't seem to be the experience in places like Texas (outside of progressive bubbles such as Austin). That's not to say the situation in Canada vis-à-vis LGTBQ+ rights and well-being isn't incredibly worrying. With folks like Blaine Higgs, Scott Moe, and potentially Pierre Poilievre running things, plus the everlasting importing of American political talking points, Canada could very well become as inhospitable for queer people as anywhere in the US. In NB, Higgs is already gearing to use the "parents rights" anti-queer dogwhistle as his main campaign issue for the next election. My friends and I have all been called groomers by anti-queer protesters, some have even had their pride flags ripped away from them and stomped on. Sorry this comment kinda got long and ranty. TL;DR: Shit sucks for queer people in Canada and will quite possibly get much worse very quickly but I still think we're better off than Texan queers (for now). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago Varies a lot by region. Out here on Vancouver Island you can see it in microcosm. Still, I would be curious about teasing out stats on how different. My impression from relatives in even Alberta would (anecdotally) seem to back this up. Edmonton would be fine, but Lloydminster maybe a little rough. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jarve1024@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'd say come live nearby especially if you make adirondack chairs. But the housing crisis is everywhere. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/how-one-corner-of-nova-scotia-s-eastern-shore-became-an-unlikely-lgbtq-haven-1.6936773 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago In Canada those are Muskoka chairs permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago Muskoka chairs* permalink fedilink source parent [–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 6 points 2 years ago Yeah, we're maybe 15 years behind the US on that stuff. Of course, very few young people are into it, so there's a demographic headwind. We also have faster immigration, and if the US goes really ugly that's going to lead to a crackdown on the troglodytes here. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 5 points 2 years ago As a furry, the "litterboxes in the classrooms" thing would be funny if it weren't for the fact that A) it's not just a couple nutjobs, somehow people actually believed it, and B) they actually exist to a certain extent, but not because of "trans-animal" kids; some schools have them so kids have a place to piss during a lockdown (like a shooting). It's not uncommon for the community to have memes about furries showing up in textbooks, the furry illuminati, furries in high places, we're taking over your schools and making them cringe, etc, because there are a number of us with "mystery money" and/or have odd jobs. Like, there are furries who are CEOs, furries who are scientists, tech furries, and furries who are just normal joes, working normal jobs as educators, accountants, etc. So "litterboxes in schools" would normally fuel that form of humor if it weren't for the fact that the circumstances around it are so fucked up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cobra89@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) God damn, where are you like Alberta? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca [S] 6 points 2 years ago Alberskatchetoba. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago New Brunswick. The province that enacted a special law to force teachers to out trans and gay kids to their parents based off of 3 fraudulent conspiracy letters, one of which literally mentioned litterboxes in classrooms. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 33 points 2 years ago (2 children) litter boxes Not who you're replying to, but fuck, I forgot about that conspiracy. Ughhhh. I'm not LGBT, but I hate how they are mistreated and the fucking mental gymnastics and lengths people will do to hate you guys. It's fucking despicable. Grindr account -> harrassment Jesus, that's shitty. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Some dudes play the long game to get you to open up and then they post all of your stuff on the town pages and stuff calling you a groomer or a pedo. And the worst part is that most people believe the first thing they see/hear/read so all it takes is one rumour or malicious post and your entire life in the town is upside down. Can’t leave the house to go to the grocery store without someone sneering or making a remark. Rural Atlantic Canada is absolutely fucked and it wasn’t even this bad 3 years ago when I moved here. Looking to make my exit plan in the next year or so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Try a larger metro area if you can afford to. The established LGBT communities could probably help you feel a bit more welcome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) That’s the goal. I used to live in a metropolitan area but was priced out and moved more rurally but things now have gotten very very bad where I’m at. Saving some money and hoping I can sell the house before someone burns it down. I’m hoping I’m just being extreme at the last part 😭 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 years ago My heart goes out to you, dude. It sounds like a terrible situation. Hang in there. I'm rooting for you permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago I'd say move to someplace like the Cowichan Valley on Vancovuer Island, but even rural property is expensive. Maybe Edmonton? Urban, fairly progressive, cold (and therefore less expensive), lots of work. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gornar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And now precedent has been established for a lawsuit in this case, at least, despite it being an awful situation as a complete understatement permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago What do you mean permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago I’m sure they’re fully erect as they swipe through grindr, seething with anger and ejaculate looking to explode. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Some dudes play the long game to get you to open up and then they post all of your stuff on the town pages and stuff calling you a groomer or a pedo. And the worst part is that most people believe the first thing they see/hear/read so all it takes is one rumour or malicious post and your entire life in the town is upside down. Can’t leave the house to go to the grocery store without someone sneering or making a remark. Rural Atlantic Canada is absolutely fucked and it wasn’t even this bad 3 years ago when I moved here. Looking to make my exit plan in the next year or so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Try a larger metro area if you can afford to. The established LGBT communities could probably help you feel a bit more welcome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) That’s the goal. I used to live in a metropolitan area but was priced out and moved more rurally but things now have gotten very very bad where I’m at. Saving some money and hoping I can sell the house before someone burns it down. I’m hoping I’m just being extreme at the last part 😭 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 years ago My heart goes out to you, dude. It sounds like a terrible situation. Hang in there. I'm rooting for you permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago I'd say move to someplace like the Cowichan Valley on Vancovuer Island, but even rural property is expensive. Maybe Edmonton? Urban, fairly progressive, cold (and therefore less expensive), lots of work. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gornar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And now precedent has been established for a lawsuit in this case, at least, despite it being an awful situation as a complete understatement permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago What do you mean permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Try a larger metro area if you can afford to. The established LGBT communities could probably help you feel a bit more welcome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) That’s the goal. I used to live in a metropolitan area but was priced out and moved more rurally but things now have gotten very very bad where I’m at. Saving some money and hoping I can sell the house before someone burns it down. I’m hoping I’m just being extreme at the last part 😭 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 years ago My heart goes out to you, dude. It sounds like a terrible situation. Hang in there. I'm rooting for you permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago I'd say move to someplace like the Cowichan Valley on Vancovuer Island, but even rural property is expensive. Maybe Edmonton? Urban, fairly progressive, cold (and therefore less expensive), lots of work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) That’s the goal. I used to live in a metropolitan area but was priced out and moved more rurally but things now have gotten very very bad where I’m at. Saving some money and hoping I can sell the house before someone burns it down. I’m hoping I’m just being extreme at the last part 😭 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 years ago My heart goes out to you, dude. It sounds like a terrible situation. Hang in there. I'm rooting for you permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago I'd say move to someplace like the Cowichan Valley on Vancovuer Island, but even rural property is expensive. Maybe Edmonton? Urban, fairly progressive, cold (and therefore less expensive), lots of work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 years ago My heart goes out to you, dude. It sounds like a terrible situation. Hang in there. I'm rooting for you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago I'd say move to someplace like the Cowichan Valley on Vancovuer Island, but even rural property is expensive. Maybe Edmonton? Urban, fairly progressive, cold (and therefore less expensive), lots of work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gornar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And now precedent has been established for a lawsuit in this case, at least, despite it being an awful situation as a complete understatement permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago What do you mean permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago I’m sure they’re fully erect as they swipe through grindr, seething with anger and ejaculate looking to explode. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've got trans friends and family. I'm legitimately worried about their future permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) No offense by I’m littery worried about everyone’s future. It just seems the world is hell bent on diving off a cliff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago You're not wrong, but historically, the trans people are the first ones forced off that cliff permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) No offense by I’m littery worried about everyone’s future. It just seems the world is hell bent on diving off a cliff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago You're not wrong, but historically, the trans people are the first ones forced off that cliff permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago You're not wrong, but historically, the trans people are the first ones forced off that cliff permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Evkob@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) I fully agree that Canada's not a progressive safe haven, but I think for now queer people are still better off pretty much anywhere in Canada than in Texas. Let's all agree that this isn't much of an accomplishment. However, I live in New-Brunswick, whose Conservative government has been at the forefront of the recent uprise in anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric in Canada. At work, I wear a pronoun pin. I've worn dresses and nail polish (as a person who was AMAB) out anywhere, from sketchy clubs downtown to Tim Horton's in rural villages. I've been made to feel uncomfortable at times, sure, but I've very rarely felt truly unsafe being visibly queer in Canada. From the perspectives of southern American queers I've read, that doesn't seem to be the experience in places like Texas (outside of progressive bubbles such as Austin). That's not to say the situation in Canada vis-à-vis LGTBQ+ rights and well-being isn't incredibly worrying. With folks like Blaine Higgs, Scott Moe, and potentially Pierre Poilievre running things, plus the everlasting importing of American political talking points, Canada could very well become as inhospitable for queer people as anywhere in the US. In NB, Higgs is already gearing to use the "parents rights" anti-queer dogwhistle as his main campaign issue for the next election. My friends and I have all been called groomers by anti-queer protesters, some have even had their pride flags ripped away from them and stomped on. Sorry this comment kinda got long and ranty. TL;DR: Shit sucks for queer people in Canada and will quite possibly get much worse very quickly but I still think we're better off than Texan queers (for now). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago Varies a lot by region. Out here on Vancouver Island you can see it in microcosm. Still, I would be curious about teasing out stats on how different. My impression from relatives in even Alberta would (anecdotally) seem to back this up. Edmonton would be fine, but Lloydminster maybe a little rough. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago Varies a lot by region. Out here on Vancouver Island you can see it in microcosm. Still, I would be curious about teasing out stats on how different. My impression from relatives in even Alberta would (anecdotally) seem to back this up. Edmonton would be fine, but Lloydminster maybe a little rough. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jarve1024@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'd say come live nearby especially if you make adirondack chairs. But the housing crisis is everywhere. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/how-one-corner-of-nova-scotia-s-eastern-shore-became-an-unlikely-lgbtq-haven-1.6936773 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago In Canada those are Muskoka chairs permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago Muskoka chairs* permalink fedilink source parent
[–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago In Canada those are Muskoka chairs permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 6 points 2 years ago Yeah, we're maybe 15 years behind the US on that stuff. Of course, very few young people are into it, so there's a demographic headwind. We also have faster immigration, and if the US goes really ugly that's going to lead to a crackdown on the troglodytes here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 5 points 2 years ago As a furry, the "litterboxes in the classrooms" thing would be funny if it weren't for the fact that A) it's not just a couple nutjobs, somehow people actually believed it, and B) they actually exist to a certain extent, but not because of "trans-animal" kids; some schools have them so kids have a place to piss during a lockdown (like a shooting). It's not uncommon for the community to have memes about furries showing up in textbooks, the furry illuminati, furries in high places, we're taking over your schools and making them cringe, etc, because there are a number of us with "mystery money" and/or have odd jobs. Like, there are furries who are CEOs, furries who are scientists, tech furries, and furries who are just normal joes, working normal jobs as educators, accountants, etc. So "litterboxes in schools" would normally fuel that form of humor if it weren't for the fact that the circumstances around it are so fucked up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cobra89@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) God damn, where are you like Alberta? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca [S] 6 points 2 years ago Alberskatchetoba. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago New Brunswick. The province that enacted a special law to force teachers to out trans and gay kids to their parents based off of 3 fraudulent conspiracy letters, one of which literally mentioned litterboxes in classrooms. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca [S] 6 points 2 years ago Alberskatchetoba. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago New Brunswick. The province that enacted a special law to force teachers to out trans and gay kids to their parents based off of 3 fraudulent conspiracy letters, one of which literally mentioned litterboxes in classrooms. permalink fedilink source parent