▲ 666 ▼ Court rules Gabe Newell must appear in person to testify in Steam anti-trust lawsuit (www.pcgamer.com) submitted 2 years ago by Goronmon@lemmy.world to c/games@lemmy.world 271 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] blazera@kbin.social 162 points 2 years ago (3 children) So is the allegation just that Steam is too successful? permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 220 points 2 years ago (13 children) Legit, I've never heard of anti-competetive practices from Valve. Anti-consumer? Sometimes, yeah, though they do a lot more right than most The argument seems to be that "30% cut is too high" but it's not like there aren't other options if you think that's too high. Epic loves to pay for games to be exclusive there, humble and gog exist, one could even go the retro route and set up their own website (though that's prolly the dumb idea), itch.io comes to mind... If Valve HAS done some shady shit to ensure their major market share I'd be down to hear it, but to me as a PC gamer since '10ish (and had PC gamer friends since 06) it seems they got there through being a not complete garbage heap of a company that actually improved over the years on user feedback, which is supposed to be the good example of capitalism innit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] blazera@kbin.social 79 points 2 years ago (1 child) Taking a high cut is the opposite of anti-competitive, that makes it easier for competitors to offer a better deal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spedwell@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) ...unless you have a policy that requires other marketplaces to sell at the same price as on Steam, undercutting the ability for "better deals" to exist at all. Which is what the lawsuit is actually arguing is going on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blazera@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) a policy that requires other marketplaces to sell at the same price as on Steam or what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spedwell@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Steam has such a policy. Valve may remove any games from Steam which are sold on other marketplaces for less than they are on Steam. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago (2 children) If 30% we're too high, surely just by offering a competitor that takes a lot less if a cut (say, 12,%), developers would flock to thst competitor because it saves them so much money, right? Right, Sweeney? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] yukijoou@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) yeah, i think the 30% is fair enough, given the amount of stuff you get as a user by using steam, like good cross-platform support a working friendlist and chat system remote play together the workshop and community features profile customisation stuff for those that like it whishlists and gifts i honestly feel like while they're a monopoly, they don't do anything other companies can't do, their cut goes to fund features others simply don't provide, so it's entierly fair for them to be more expensive than the competition permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maalus@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) a working shopping cart permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 years ago To be honest Epic now has a shopping cart... After almost 5 years of wait, mind you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] echo64@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) People don't buy games on the competitors, but yes may developers did flock to epic, which made everyone hate epic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) Eh, more like Epic approached them with a suitcase full of money, that's very different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago* Not even just that. They approached games that has already promised not to be exclusives, including kickstarter games that had already been funded with that promise, as well as buying games and removing them from other stores. They were paying to have the games removed from better stores so they wouldn't have to compete. That is an example of anti-competitive practices, not just making a better product and charging more for it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] echo64@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago It was both. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hypna@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago People don't hate on Epic because their store has content. They hate on Epic because they tried to buy market share with exclusivity deals. Nobody wants PC gaming to turn into the streaming services. permalink fedilink source parent [–] blahsay@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago Hah if 30% is deemed too much the apple app store and pretty much any retail is going to be next. Steam is popular because they don't pull this nonsense. At 70% growth p/a why bother too permalink fedilink source parent [–] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago As a consumer, the worst days of Steam were in its early years. It took hours to download the HL2 day 1 patch. But those days are long behind us. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sirdorius@programming.dev 29 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I'm also curious what the allegations are. The only ones I ever heard were from Epic, which was basically making a big fuss to promote their own competitive platform (which was so shit it didn't gain any traction apart from the free games). I've tried all the online stores ever since the cloudification (remember Impulse?) but none have ever been able to compete with Steam in terms of features and value to the customer. Steam didn't get to the top by being anti competitive, it got there by being competitive and offering a better product to all stakeholders, not just to shareholders. And as you mentioned, there is plenty of competition for Steam. Don't like the monoply? Get it on GOG or Itch instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rose@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) You can read the complaint in full here. Edit: Updated with a more recent version. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sirdorius@programming.dev 15 points 2 years ago Thanks. So TLDR: PMFN (Platform Most-Favored-Nations clause): Valve forces publishers to price games on other platforms at the same price or higher than Steam. This is an anticompetitive monopoly because publishers can't sell the game at lower prices on platforms with a lower cut than 30%, which would improve competitiveness. Very valid point Keys that publishers can sell on other storefronts are limited. This point is moot. The fact that Steam allows you to activate a product that was purchased elsewhere and then use their infrastructure to download the game is way more than they have to do. They can completely make the rules here as this is basically a free service that you get from Valve. Some murky points about Valve policing review bombing that isn't explained properly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Valve devotes only a small percentage of its revenue to maintaining and improving the Steam Store, and dedicates very few employees to that effort. Okay yeah I was annoyed that it took Epic's store to make Valve update their ancient UI, but Proton has gone a long way to improving my opinion of them (and it's open source to boot). Also is a shame that the court won't have the background to know that invoking EA's complaints about anti-competitiveness and price gouging is so completely laughable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Escape from Tarkov has been very successful with their own site and launcher. I don’t see it ever going to steam and it’s regularly in the top 10 of twitch permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Rose@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying racism doesn't exist because there are black people in power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, it’s saying if you make a good game and launcher then you don’t need to rely on one of the storefront that take 30% like epic or Valve. Idk what GoGs cut is but I’ve also never bought anything from there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MysticKetchup@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's survivorship bias. You're looking at the success of Tarkov but you don't hear about all the games that failed because they weren't on Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago Thousands fail every day on the platform as well, is that survivorship bias as well or just evidence that trash fails and quality succeeds regardless of location permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago 🤮 permalink fedilink source parent [–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) humble That's who's suing Valve here. Edit: I'm wrong, they created Humble Bundle but haven't owned it since 2017. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 11 points 2 years ago* (2 children) No, humble bundle isn't run by them anymore. They haven't been run by the wolfire guys since 2017. If I'm wrong and they are then I'm probably not buying anything from humble again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're right and I'm wrong. I guess I'm out of touch - what did the Wolfire guys do since then that makes you dislike them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Suing valve. Like, valve is the only company I'm okay with having the amount of marketshare they currently have. I'm legit worried that if they go too hard on the lawsuit, it could result in the monkey's paw curling ("I wish valve didn't have so much marketshare" "granted: steam has been spun off into its own company. Without steam, valve goes under and "steamcorp's" new management goes public") permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago monkey’s paw nailed it, I completely agree in this one instance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rose@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago They're heathens, obviously. permalink fedilink source parent [–] brawleryukon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I think there was some cross-pollination for a couple years beyond that. Sounds like they sold Humble off to be its own thing, but the Wolfire guys were still running it until 2019 (see Wikipedia quote below). Either way, they've got out of Humble well before they filed this suit. Rosen and Graham, the founders of Humble Bundle [and the CEO and COO, respectively, of Wolfire Games], announced in March 2019 that they have stepped down as CEO and COO of the company, respectively, with Alan Patmore taking over the company operations. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NateSwift@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Is Wolfire Games associated with Humble at all or am I missing something? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] brawleryukon@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Wolfire Games created the original Humble Indie Bundle, but they've been divested from it for a few years now. From Wikipedia: The Humble Bundle concept was initially run by Wolfire Games in 2010, but by its second bundle, the Humble Bundle company was spun out to manage the promotion, payments, and distribution of the bundles. In October 2017, the company was acquired by Ziff Davis through its IGN Entertainment subsidiary. The comment above that Humble's the ones suing Valve here is inaccurate. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Romanmir@lemmy.today -1 points 2 years ago Yeah, I’m pretty sure both are run by the same dude. He got butt hurt by valve’s cut about the time he started Humble Bundle. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bastion@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago I think this should be admissible in court. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies) [–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Yes. They sued Valve with allegation that they are too successful by providing good service. Sure 30% is too much for some developers, but solution is quite simple... don't sell on Steam. Problem solved. Go to Epic, GoG, bunch of others. Hell every company now has its own launcher and store. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nah, it's mean old valve making it so people aren't flocking to publish their games on UPlay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago What's saddest of all is the fact they are willing to throw millions on this litigation instead of spending that money on improving the service. They claim it's for the good of all users, but their actions tell different story. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wilzax@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Or even just make it more expensive on steam, if you really want 100% of the revenue for every sale. Pass the cost of using steam on to the user and offer the game on other (worse) markets at a markdown. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) There could be a clause in terms of use that Steam won't allow developers to make their games most expensive on Steam, or at least cheaper than elsewhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Developers already do that fairly often. Typically indie devs. They will sell their game directly for lower prices than listed on steam. permalink fedilink source parent [–] blue_zephyr@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Pretty much. Meanwhile other stores engage in actual behaviour that deserves an anti-trust lawsuit like buying up developer studio's and making their games exclusive to their own platforms. Or paying devs to make games exclusive to their store temporarily. You know, things that actually screw the consumer over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rose@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago How's In the Valley of Gods doing? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 220 points 2 years ago (13 children) Legit, I've never heard of anti-competetive practices from Valve. Anti-consumer? Sometimes, yeah, though they do a lot more right than most The argument seems to be that "30% cut is too high" but it's not like there aren't other options if you think that's too high. Epic loves to pay for games to be exclusive there, humble and gog exist, one could even go the retro route and set up their own website (though that's prolly the dumb idea), itch.io comes to mind... If Valve HAS done some shady shit to ensure their major market share I'd be down to hear it, but to me as a PC gamer since '10ish (and had PC gamer friends since 06) it seems they got there through being a not complete garbage heap of a company that actually improved over the years on user feedback, which is supposed to be the good example of capitalism innit? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] blazera@kbin.social 79 points 2 years ago (1 child) Taking a high cut is the opposite of anti-competitive, that makes it easier for competitors to offer a better deal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spedwell@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) ...unless you have a policy that requires other marketplaces to sell at the same price as on Steam, undercutting the ability for "better deals" to exist at all. Which is what the lawsuit is actually arguing is going on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blazera@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) a policy that requires other marketplaces to sell at the same price as on Steam or what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spedwell@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Steam has such a policy. Valve may remove any games from Steam which are sold on other marketplaces for less than they are on Steam. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago (2 children) If 30% we're too high, surely just by offering a competitor that takes a lot less if a cut (say, 12,%), developers would flock to thst competitor because it saves them so much money, right? Right, Sweeney? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] yukijoou@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) yeah, i think the 30% is fair enough, given the amount of stuff you get as a user by using steam, like good cross-platform support a working friendlist and chat system remote play together the workshop and community features profile customisation stuff for those that like it whishlists and gifts i honestly feel like while they're a monopoly, they don't do anything other companies can't do, their cut goes to fund features others simply don't provide, so it's entierly fair for them to be more expensive than the competition permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maalus@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) a working shopping cart permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 years ago To be honest Epic now has a shopping cart... After almost 5 years of wait, mind you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] echo64@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) People don't buy games on the competitors, but yes may developers did flock to epic, which made everyone hate epic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) Eh, more like Epic approached them with a suitcase full of money, that's very different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago* Not even just that. They approached games that has already promised not to be exclusives, including kickstarter games that had already been funded with that promise, as well as buying games and removing them from other stores. They were paying to have the games removed from better stores so they wouldn't have to compete. That is an example of anti-competitive practices, not just making a better product and charging more for it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] echo64@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago It was both. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hypna@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago People don't hate on Epic because their store has content. They hate on Epic because they tried to buy market share with exclusivity deals. Nobody wants PC gaming to turn into the streaming services. permalink fedilink source parent [–] blahsay@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago Hah if 30% is deemed too much the apple app store and pretty much any retail is going to be next. Steam is popular because they don't pull this nonsense. At 70% growth p/a why bother too permalink fedilink source parent [–] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago As a consumer, the worst days of Steam were in its early years. It took hours to download the HL2 day 1 patch. But those days are long behind us. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sirdorius@programming.dev 29 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I'm also curious what the allegations are. The only ones I ever heard were from Epic, which was basically making a big fuss to promote their own competitive platform (which was so shit it didn't gain any traction apart from the free games). I've tried all the online stores ever since the cloudification (remember Impulse?) but none have ever been able to compete with Steam in terms of features and value to the customer. Steam didn't get to the top by being anti competitive, it got there by being competitive and offering a better product to all stakeholders, not just to shareholders. And as you mentioned, there is plenty of competition for Steam. Don't like the monoply? Get it on GOG or Itch instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rose@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) You can read the complaint in full here. Edit: Updated with a more recent version. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sirdorius@programming.dev 15 points 2 years ago Thanks. So TLDR: PMFN (Platform Most-Favored-Nations clause): Valve forces publishers to price games on other platforms at the same price or higher than Steam. This is an anticompetitive monopoly because publishers can't sell the game at lower prices on platforms with a lower cut than 30%, which would improve competitiveness. Very valid point Keys that publishers can sell on other storefronts are limited. This point is moot. The fact that Steam allows you to activate a product that was purchased elsewhere and then use their infrastructure to download the game is way more than they have to do. They can completely make the rules here as this is basically a free service that you get from Valve. Some murky points about Valve policing review bombing that isn't explained properly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Valve devotes only a small percentage of its revenue to maintaining and improving the Steam Store, and dedicates very few employees to that effort. Okay yeah I was annoyed that it took Epic's store to make Valve update their ancient UI, but Proton has gone a long way to improving my opinion of them (and it's open source to boot). Also is a shame that the court won't have the background to know that invoking EA's complaints about anti-competitiveness and price gouging is so completely laughable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Escape from Tarkov has been very successful with their own site and launcher. I don’t see it ever going to steam and it’s regularly in the top 10 of twitch permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Rose@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying racism doesn't exist because there are black people in power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, it’s saying if you make a good game and launcher then you don’t need to rely on one of the storefront that take 30% like epic or Valve. Idk what GoGs cut is but I’ve also never bought anything from there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MysticKetchup@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's survivorship bias. You're looking at the success of Tarkov but you don't hear about all the games that failed because they weren't on Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago Thousands fail every day on the platform as well, is that survivorship bias as well or just evidence that trash fails and quality succeeds regardless of location permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago 🤮 permalink fedilink source parent [–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) humble That's who's suing Valve here. Edit: I'm wrong, they created Humble Bundle but haven't owned it since 2017. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 11 points 2 years ago* (2 children) No, humble bundle isn't run by them anymore. They haven't been run by the wolfire guys since 2017. If I'm wrong and they are then I'm probably not buying anything from humble again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're right and I'm wrong. I guess I'm out of touch - what did the Wolfire guys do since then that makes you dislike them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Suing valve. Like, valve is the only company I'm okay with having the amount of marketshare they currently have. I'm legit worried that if they go too hard on the lawsuit, it could result in the monkey's paw curling ("I wish valve didn't have so much marketshare" "granted: steam has been spun off into its own company. Without steam, valve goes under and "steamcorp's" new management goes public") permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago monkey’s paw nailed it, I completely agree in this one instance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rose@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago They're heathens, obviously. permalink fedilink source parent [–] brawleryukon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I think there was some cross-pollination for a couple years beyond that. Sounds like they sold Humble off to be its own thing, but the Wolfire guys were still running it until 2019 (see Wikipedia quote below). Either way, they've got out of Humble well before they filed this suit. Rosen and Graham, the founders of Humble Bundle [and the CEO and COO, respectively, of Wolfire Games], announced in March 2019 that they have stepped down as CEO and COO of the company, respectively, with Alan Patmore taking over the company operations. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NateSwift@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Is Wolfire Games associated with Humble at all or am I missing something? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] brawleryukon@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Wolfire Games created the original Humble Indie Bundle, but they've been divested from it for a few years now. From Wikipedia: The Humble Bundle concept was initially run by Wolfire Games in 2010, but by its second bundle, the Humble Bundle company was spun out to manage the promotion, payments, and distribution of the bundles. In October 2017, the company was acquired by Ziff Davis through its IGN Entertainment subsidiary. The comment above that Humble's the ones suing Valve here is inaccurate. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Romanmir@lemmy.today -1 points 2 years ago Yeah, I’m pretty sure both are run by the same dude. He got butt hurt by valve’s cut about the time he started Humble Bundle. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bastion@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago I think this should be admissible in court. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies)
[–] blazera@kbin.social 79 points 2 years ago (1 child) Taking a high cut is the opposite of anti-competitive, that makes it easier for competitors to offer a better deal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spedwell@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) ...unless you have a policy that requires other marketplaces to sell at the same price as on Steam, undercutting the ability for "better deals" to exist at all. Which is what the lawsuit is actually arguing is going on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blazera@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) a policy that requires other marketplaces to sell at the same price as on Steam or what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spedwell@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Steam has such a policy. Valve may remove any games from Steam which are sold on other marketplaces for less than they are on Steam. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Spedwell@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) ...unless you have a policy that requires other marketplaces to sell at the same price as on Steam, undercutting the ability for "better deals" to exist at all. Which is what the lawsuit is actually arguing is going on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blazera@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) a policy that requires other marketplaces to sell at the same price as on Steam or what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spedwell@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Steam has such a policy. Valve may remove any games from Steam which are sold on other marketplaces for less than they are on Steam. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blazera@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) a policy that requires other marketplaces to sell at the same price as on Steam or what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Spedwell@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Steam has such a policy. Valve may remove any games from Steam which are sold on other marketplaces for less than they are on Steam. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Spedwell@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Steam has such a policy. Valve may remove any games from Steam which are sold on other marketplaces for less than they are on Steam. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago (2 children) If 30% we're too high, surely just by offering a competitor that takes a lot less if a cut (say, 12,%), developers would flock to thst competitor because it saves them so much money, right? Right, Sweeney? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] yukijoou@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) yeah, i think the 30% is fair enough, given the amount of stuff you get as a user by using steam, like good cross-platform support a working friendlist and chat system remote play together the workshop and community features profile customisation stuff for those that like it whishlists and gifts i honestly feel like while they're a monopoly, they don't do anything other companies can't do, their cut goes to fund features others simply don't provide, so it's entierly fair for them to be more expensive than the competition permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maalus@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) a working shopping cart permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 years ago To be honest Epic now has a shopping cart... After almost 5 years of wait, mind you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] echo64@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) People don't buy games on the competitors, but yes may developers did flock to epic, which made everyone hate epic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) Eh, more like Epic approached them with a suitcase full of money, that's very different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago* Not even just that. They approached games that has already promised not to be exclusives, including kickstarter games that had already been funded with that promise, as well as buying games and removing them from other stores. They were paying to have the games removed from better stores so they wouldn't have to compete. That is an example of anti-competitive practices, not just making a better product and charging more for it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] echo64@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago It was both. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hypna@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago People don't hate on Epic because their store has content. They hate on Epic because they tried to buy market share with exclusivity deals. Nobody wants PC gaming to turn into the streaming services. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yukijoou@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) yeah, i think the 30% is fair enough, given the amount of stuff you get as a user by using steam, like good cross-platform support a working friendlist and chat system remote play together the workshop and community features profile customisation stuff for those that like it whishlists and gifts i honestly feel like while they're a monopoly, they don't do anything other companies can't do, their cut goes to fund features others simply don't provide, so it's entierly fair for them to be more expensive than the competition permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maalus@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) a working shopping cart permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 years ago To be honest Epic now has a shopping cart... After almost 5 years of wait, mind you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) a working shopping cart permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 years ago To be honest Epic now has a shopping cart... After almost 5 years of wait, mind you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 years ago To be honest Epic now has a shopping cart... After almost 5 years of wait, mind you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] echo64@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) People don't buy games on the competitors, but yes may developers did flock to epic, which made everyone hate epic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) Eh, more like Epic approached them with a suitcase full of money, that's very different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago* Not even just that. They approached games that has already promised not to be exclusives, including kickstarter games that had already been funded with that promise, as well as buying games and removing them from other stores. They were paying to have the games removed from better stores so they wouldn't have to compete. That is an example of anti-competitive practices, not just making a better product and charging more for it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] echo64@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago It was both. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hypna@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago People don't hate on Epic because their store has content. They hate on Epic because they tried to buy market share with exclusivity deals. Nobody wants PC gaming to turn into the streaming services. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) Eh, more like Epic approached them with a suitcase full of money, that's very different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago* Not even just that. They approached games that has already promised not to be exclusives, including kickstarter games that had already been funded with that promise, as well as buying games and removing them from other stores. They were paying to have the games removed from better stores so they wouldn't have to compete. That is an example of anti-competitive practices, not just making a better product and charging more for it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] echo64@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago It was both. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago* Not even just that. They approached games that has already promised not to be exclusives, including kickstarter games that had already been funded with that promise, as well as buying games and removing them from other stores. They were paying to have the games removed from better stores so they wouldn't have to compete. That is an example of anti-competitive practices, not just making a better product and charging more for it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hypna@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago People don't hate on Epic because their store has content. They hate on Epic because they tried to buy market share with exclusivity deals. Nobody wants PC gaming to turn into the streaming services. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blahsay@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago Hah if 30% is deemed too much the apple app store and pretty much any retail is going to be next. Steam is popular because they don't pull this nonsense. At 70% growth p/a why bother too permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago As a consumer, the worst days of Steam were in its early years. It took hours to download the HL2 day 1 patch. But those days are long behind us. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sirdorius@programming.dev 29 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I'm also curious what the allegations are. The only ones I ever heard were from Epic, which was basically making a big fuss to promote their own competitive platform (which was so shit it didn't gain any traction apart from the free games). I've tried all the online stores ever since the cloudification (remember Impulse?) but none have ever been able to compete with Steam in terms of features and value to the customer. Steam didn't get to the top by being anti competitive, it got there by being competitive and offering a better product to all stakeholders, not just to shareholders. And as you mentioned, there is plenty of competition for Steam. Don't like the monoply? Get it on GOG or Itch instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rose@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) You can read the complaint in full here. Edit: Updated with a more recent version. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sirdorius@programming.dev 15 points 2 years ago Thanks. So TLDR: PMFN (Platform Most-Favored-Nations clause): Valve forces publishers to price games on other platforms at the same price or higher than Steam. This is an anticompetitive monopoly because publishers can't sell the game at lower prices on platforms with a lower cut than 30%, which would improve competitiveness. Very valid point Keys that publishers can sell on other storefronts are limited. This point is moot. The fact that Steam allows you to activate a product that was purchased elsewhere and then use their infrastructure to download the game is way more than they have to do. They can completely make the rules here as this is basically a free service that you get from Valve. Some murky points about Valve policing review bombing that isn't explained properly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Valve devotes only a small percentage of its revenue to maintaining and improving the Steam Store, and dedicates very few employees to that effort. Okay yeah I was annoyed that it took Epic's store to make Valve update their ancient UI, but Proton has gone a long way to improving my opinion of them (and it's open source to boot). Also is a shame that the court won't have the background to know that invoking EA's complaints about anti-competitiveness and price gouging is so completely laughable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rose@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) You can read the complaint in full here. Edit: Updated with a more recent version. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sirdorius@programming.dev 15 points 2 years ago Thanks. So TLDR: PMFN (Platform Most-Favored-Nations clause): Valve forces publishers to price games on other platforms at the same price or higher than Steam. This is an anticompetitive monopoly because publishers can't sell the game at lower prices on platforms with a lower cut than 30%, which would improve competitiveness. Very valid point Keys that publishers can sell on other storefronts are limited. This point is moot. The fact that Steam allows you to activate a product that was purchased elsewhere and then use their infrastructure to download the game is way more than they have to do. They can completely make the rules here as this is basically a free service that you get from Valve. Some murky points about Valve policing review bombing that isn't explained properly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Valve devotes only a small percentage of its revenue to maintaining and improving the Steam Store, and dedicates very few employees to that effort. Okay yeah I was annoyed that it took Epic's store to make Valve update their ancient UI, but Proton has gone a long way to improving my opinion of them (and it's open source to boot). Also is a shame that the court won't have the background to know that invoking EA's complaints about anti-competitiveness and price gouging is so completely laughable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sirdorius@programming.dev 15 points 2 years ago Thanks. So TLDR: PMFN (Platform Most-Favored-Nations clause): Valve forces publishers to price games on other platforms at the same price or higher than Steam. This is an anticompetitive monopoly because publishers can't sell the game at lower prices on platforms with a lower cut than 30%, which would improve competitiveness. Very valid point Keys that publishers can sell on other storefronts are limited. This point is moot. The fact that Steam allows you to activate a product that was purchased elsewhere and then use their infrastructure to download the game is way more than they have to do. They can completely make the rules here as this is basically a free service that you get from Valve. Some murky points about Valve policing review bombing that isn't explained properly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Valve devotes only a small percentage of its revenue to maintaining and improving the Steam Store, and dedicates very few employees to that effort. Okay yeah I was annoyed that it took Epic's store to make Valve update their ancient UI, but Proton has gone a long way to improving my opinion of them (and it's open source to boot). Also is a shame that the court won't have the background to know that invoking EA's complaints about anti-competitiveness and price gouging is so completely laughable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Escape from Tarkov has been very successful with their own site and launcher. I don’t see it ever going to steam and it’s regularly in the top 10 of twitch permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Rose@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying racism doesn't exist because there are black people in power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, it’s saying if you make a good game and launcher then you don’t need to rely on one of the storefront that take 30% like epic or Valve. Idk what GoGs cut is but I’ve also never bought anything from there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MysticKetchup@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's survivorship bias. You're looking at the success of Tarkov but you don't hear about all the games that failed because they weren't on Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago Thousands fail every day on the platform as well, is that survivorship bias as well or just evidence that trash fails and quality succeeds regardless of location permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago 🤮 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rose@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying racism doesn't exist because there are black people in power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, it’s saying if you make a good game and launcher then you don’t need to rely on one of the storefront that take 30% like epic or Valve. Idk what GoGs cut is but I’ve also never bought anything from there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MysticKetchup@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's survivorship bias. You're looking at the success of Tarkov but you don't hear about all the games that failed because they weren't on Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago Thousands fail every day on the platform as well, is that survivorship bias as well or just evidence that trash fails and quality succeeds regardless of location permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, it’s saying if you make a good game and launcher then you don’t need to rely on one of the storefront that take 30% like epic or Valve. Idk what GoGs cut is but I’ve also never bought anything from there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MysticKetchup@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's survivorship bias. You're looking at the success of Tarkov but you don't hear about all the games that failed because they weren't on Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago Thousands fail every day on the platform as well, is that survivorship bias as well or just evidence that trash fails and quality succeeds regardless of location permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MysticKetchup@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's survivorship bias. You're looking at the success of Tarkov but you don't hear about all the games that failed because they weren't on Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago Thousands fail every day on the platform as well, is that survivorship bias as well or just evidence that trash fails and quality succeeds regardless of location permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago Thousands fail every day on the platform as well, is that survivorship bias as well or just evidence that trash fails and quality succeeds regardless of location permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) humble That's who's suing Valve here. Edit: I'm wrong, they created Humble Bundle but haven't owned it since 2017. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 11 points 2 years ago* (2 children) No, humble bundle isn't run by them anymore. They haven't been run by the wolfire guys since 2017. If I'm wrong and they are then I'm probably not buying anything from humble again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're right and I'm wrong. I guess I'm out of touch - what did the Wolfire guys do since then that makes you dislike them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Suing valve. Like, valve is the only company I'm okay with having the amount of marketshare they currently have. I'm legit worried that if they go too hard on the lawsuit, it could result in the monkey's paw curling ("I wish valve didn't have so much marketshare" "granted: steam has been spun off into its own company. Without steam, valve goes under and "steamcorp's" new management goes public") permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago monkey’s paw nailed it, I completely agree in this one instance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rose@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago They're heathens, obviously. permalink fedilink source parent [–] brawleryukon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I think there was some cross-pollination for a couple years beyond that. Sounds like they sold Humble off to be its own thing, but the Wolfire guys were still running it until 2019 (see Wikipedia quote below). Either way, they've got out of Humble well before they filed this suit. Rosen and Graham, the founders of Humble Bundle [and the CEO and COO, respectively, of Wolfire Games], announced in March 2019 that they have stepped down as CEO and COO of the company, respectively, with Alan Patmore taking over the company operations. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NateSwift@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Is Wolfire Games associated with Humble at all or am I missing something? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] brawleryukon@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Wolfire Games created the original Humble Indie Bundle, but they've been divested from it for a few years now. From Wikipedia: The Humble Bundle concept was initially run by Wolfire Games in 2010, but by its second bundle, the Humble Bundle company was spun out to manage the promotion, payments, and distribution of the bundles. In October 2017, the company was acquired by Ziff Davis through its IGN Entertainment subsidiary. The comment above that Humble's the ones suing Valve here is inaccurate. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Romanmir@lemmy.today -1 points 2 years ago Yeah, I’m pretty sure both are run by the same dude. He got butt hurt by valve’s cut about the time he started Humble Bundle. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 11 points 2 years ago* (2 children) No, humble bundle isn't run by them anymore. They haven't been run by the wolfire guys since 2017. If I'm wrong and they are then I'm probably not buying anything from humble again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're right and I'm wrong. I guess I'm out of touch - what did the Wolfire guys do since then that makes you dislike them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Suing valve. Like, valve is the only company I'm okay with having the amount of marketshare they currently have. I'm legit worried that if they go too hard on the lawsuit, it could result in the monkey's paw curling ("I wish valve didn't have so much marketshare" "granted: steam has been spun off into its own company. Without steam, valve goes under and "steamcorp's" new management goes public") permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago monkey’s paw nailed it, I completely agree in this one instance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rose@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago They're heathens, obviously. permalink fedilink source parent [–] brawleryukon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I think there was some cross-pollination for a couple years beyond that. Sounds like they sold Humble off to be its own thing, but the Wolfire guys were still running it until 2019 (see Wikipedia quote below). Either way, they've got out of Humble well before they filed this suit. Rosen and Graham, the founders of Humble Bundle [and the CEO and COO, respectively, of Wolfire Games], announced in March 2019 that they have stepped down as CEO and COO of the company, respectively, with Alan Patmore taking over the company operations. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're right and I'm wrong. I guess I'm out of touch - what did the Wolfire guys do since then that makes you dislike them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Suing valve. Like, valve is the only company I'm okay with having the amount of marketshare they currently have. I'm legit worried that if they go too hard on the lawsuit, it could result in the monkey's paw curling ("I wish valve didn't have so much marketshare" "granted: steam has been spun off into its own company. Without steam, valve goes under and "steamcorp's" new management goes public") permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago monkey’s paw nailed it, I completely agree in this one instance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rose@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago They're heathens, obviously. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Suing valve. Like, valve is the only company I'm okay with having the amount of marketshare they currently have. I'm legit worried that if they go too hard on the lawsuit, it could result in the monkey's paw curling ("I wish valve didn't have so much marketshare" "granted: steam has been spun off into its own company. Without steam, valve goes under and "steamcorp's" new management goes public") permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago monkey’s paw nailed it, I completely agree in this one instance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago monkey’s paw nailed it, I completely agree in this one instance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rose@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago They're heathens, obviously. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brawleryukon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I think there was some cross-pollination for a couple years beyond that. Sounds like they sold Humble off to be its own thing, but the Wolfire guys were still running it until 2019 (see Wikipedia quote below). Either way, they've got out of Humble well before they filed this suit. Rosen and Graham, the founders of Humble Bundle [and the CEO and COO, respectively, of Wolfire Games], announced in March 2019 that they have stepped down as CEO and COO of the company, respectively, with Alan Patmore taking over the company operations. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NateSwift@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Is Wolfire Games associated with Humble at all or am I missing something? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] brawleryukon@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Wolfire Games created the original Humble Indie Bundle, but they've been divested from it for a few years now. From Wikipedia: The Humble Bundle concept was initially run by Wolfire Games in 2010, but by its second bundle, the Humble Bundle company was spun out to manage the promotion, payments, and distribution of the bundles. In October 2017, the company was acquired by Ziff Davis through its IGN Entertainment subsidiary. The comment above that Humble's the ones suing Valve here is inaccurate. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Romanmir@lemmy.today -1 points 2 years ago Yeah, I’m pretty sure both are run by the same dude. He got butt hurt by valve’s cut about the time he started Humble Bundle. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brawleryukon@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Wolfire Games created the original Humble Indie Bundle, but they've been divested from it for a few years now. From Wikipedia: The Humble Bundle concept was initially run by Wolfire Games in 2010, but by its second bundle, the Humble Bundle company was spun out to manage the promotion, payments, and distribution of the bundles. In October 2017, the company was acquired by Ziff Davis through its IGN Entertainment subsidiary. The comment above that Humble's the ones suing Valve here is inaccurate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Romanmir@lemmy.today -1 points 2 years ago Yeah, I’m pretty sure both are run by the same dude. He got butt hurt by valve’s cut about the time he started Humble Bundle. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bastion@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago I think this should be admissible in court. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Yes. They sued Valve with allegation that they are too successful by providing good service. Sure 30% is too much for some developers, but solution is quite simple... don't sell on Steam. Problem solved. Go to Epic, GoG, bunch of others. Hell every company now has its own launcher and store. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nah, it's mean old valve making it so people aren't flocking to publish their games on UPlay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago What's saddest of all is the fact they are willing to throw millions on this litigation instead of spending that money on improving the service. They claim it's for the good of all users, but their actions tell different story. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wilzax@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Or even just make it more expensive on steam, if you really want 100% of the revenue for every sale. Pass the cost of using steam on to the user and offer the game on other (worse) markets at a markdown. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) There could be a clause in terms of use that Steam won't allow developers to make their games most expensive on Steam, or at least cheaper than elsewhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Developers already do that fairly often. Typically indie devs. They will sell their game directly for lower prices than listed on steam. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nah, it's mean old valve making it so people aren't flocking to publish their games on UPlay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago What's saddest of all is the fact they are willing to throw millions on this litigation instead of spending that money on improving the service. They claim it's for the good of all users, but their actions tell different story. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago What's saddest of all is the fact they are willing to throw millions on this litigation instead of spending that money on improving the service. They claim it's for the good of all users, but their actions tell different story. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wilzax@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Or even just make it more expensive on steam, if you really want 100% of the revenue for every sale. Pass the cost of using steam on to the user and offer the game on other (worse) markets at a markdown. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) There could be a clause in terms of use that Steam won't allow developers to make their games most expensive on Steam, or at least cheaper than elsewhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Developers already do that fairly often. Typically indie devs. They will sell their game directly for lower prices than listed on steam. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) There could be a clause in terms of use that Steam won't allow developers to make their games most expensive on Steam, or at least cheaper than elsewhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Developers already do that fairly often. Typically indie devs. They will sell their game directly for lower prices than listed on steam. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Developers already do that fairly often. Typically indie devs. They will sell their game directly for lower prices than listed on steam. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blue_zephyr@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Pretty much. Meanwhile other stores engage in actual behaviour that deserves an anti-trust lawsuit like buying up developer studio's and making their games exclusive to their own platforms. Or paying devs to make games exclusive to their store temporarily. You know, things that actually screw the consumer over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rose@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago How's In the Valley of Gods doing? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rose@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago How's In the Valley of Gods doing? permalink fedilink source parent