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[–] 11 points 5 days ago (13 children)

I think what makes the em dash seem AI-like is... there isnt an em dash button on the keyboard.

So typically the only way those show up is when markdown-to-blog-post tools convert normal dashes into stylized em dashes as a transpiling process.

Stuff like hugo and etc largely do this automatically.

So if a poster uses an em dash out of that context, it right away throws up a red flag cuz... howd you do that easily?

Did you memorize the alt code to make one?

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  • [–] 22 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    Did you memorize the alt code to make one?

    If you use the compose key, you don't have to memorize the unicode value. You just press compose ---.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    if you use lemmy, type a -- b to get "a -- b".

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  • [–] 5 points 4 days ago* (1 child)

    With that you made an en-dash, not an em-dash.

    Let's see if it does anything if you use three a


    b vs two a -- b ?

    Edit: Yep looks like that's it.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 child)

    Interestingly, in my client both show up as separate dashes. I suspect it's simply a ligature in the font used in your frontend.

    E: Hm, no that is not it, copy-pasting the text from the web frontend copies the em- an en-dashes, so it's actually replacing the characters during rendering.

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  • Yeah it seems to be a feature of the text editor, it already replaced the combination of input characters with the proper singular output character when I used the preview feature.

    For context: The footer of my home instance says that it's running Lemmy 0.19.20 at the moment, which is the latest stable version. Milan Ihl is good about keeping us up to date.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    i gotta be honest, before it became a big talking point with AI, i didn't realize em dashes, en dashes, and dashes were different characters, just different grammatical functions of the same character. i figured fancy word processors made them longer to make them distinct from minus signs, but that was it!

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago*

    If you go through Unicode, there are a bunch of hyphen-like characters. In many typefaces, some may appear identical.

    searches

    EDIT: That's not an exhaustive list, either. Off-the-cuff, I can also think of the line-drawing characters, which also have a horizontal line.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    So if a poster uses an em dash out of that context, it right away throws up a red flag cuz... howd you do that easily?

    Did you memorize the alt code to make one?

    On KDE, the default keyboard layout makes it pretty easy to type the various dashes and quotation marks, so that's one way. Ever since discovering that, I've been making a conscious effort to use them (because I am the type of person who likes doing the typograhically correct thing, even in an informal context… maybe that's the problem, actually). Haven't been called out as β€œAI” yet, but it's probably going to happen at some point.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    It depends on the keyboard, and the software. I'm using HeliBoard on my phone right now, and all I have to do to make an em dash is hold the dash keyβ€”that's it. It's actually quite trivial to add em dashes in various cases, and I wish folks wouldn't pretend otherwise.

    I also make use of other characters, like my beloved interrobang. I actually have that pinned to my clipboard, so I can paste it when it's appropriate.

    "You care about writing enough to use special charactersβ€½"

    "Yes."

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Okay, but using the interrobang is a perfect sign that the text isn't AI generated πŸ˜‚ Genius move!

    Agree about the em-dash thing, it's really not that hard.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago

    I suppose it is a woefully underutilized glyph, isn't it? I consider it very important, and make sure to check any typefaces I download, to ensure it's designed before using them in creative projects. While it didn't become mainstream, I love letting people know it exists through writing when an opportunity arises.

    Exactly, they're usually pretty easy to add if you want to. I totally understand most folks don't talk so formally when in informal settings, but the em dash thing is hardly the smoking gun paranoid people want it to be. A lot of the "tells" by themselves are just punching at competent writers; it's the same thing that happens to visual artists, or musicians, or anything else creative. You can try and find several tells at onceβ€”and sometimes you doβ€”but it tends to boil down to glorified witch hunting, rather than something of substance. People want desperately to be able to just know something is AI generated on vibes alone. It's not always going to be that easy, and most aren't the sleuths they believe they are.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago

    As someone who uses a phone β€” you just hold a minus until it allows you to input dashes. Also, when I used windows I had it memorized, on Linux it doesn't always work, but should be Ctrl+U 2014, on Mac it's just minus with modifier buttons pressed

    It's not hard to input that if you want to

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago* (2 children)

    Did you memorize the alt code to make one?

    Fun fact: on some keyboard layouts you can access the em dash easly

    This is the most common Italian layout

    You can see that you just need to press control+hyphen

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    The marking above the hyphen there is an underscore


    it's telling you that hitting shift-hyphen will give you an underscore.

    You may be using software that supports inserting an em-dash when you hit that combination, but I don't believe that it's the keyboard layout that dictates that.

    searches

    It sounds like Microsoft Word does something similar:

    https://www.avantixlearning.ca/microsoft-word/how-to-insert-an-em-dash-or-en-dash-in-a-word-document-4-ways/

    Use Ctrl with keyboard shortcuts to insert an em or en dash

    To insert an em dash, click where you want to insert the em dash and then press Ctrl + Alt + – (minus sign on the numeric keypad).

    To insert an en dash, click where you want to insert the en dash and then press Ctrl + – (minus sign on the numeric keypad).

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago

    Yes, if you use shift it will give you an underscore but with control (or alt gr) it will give an em dash, should be a thing on Windows and i belive KDE

    Or it could be that the keyboard that i use is just like ts but i doubt

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago*

    Mac has always been opt+shift+hyphen

    Honestly for old versions of windows yes, you had to learn the arcane alt+0151, but I was already used to that for typing in french on a British keyboard. It's now more like Mac with win+shift+hyphen

    Android and IPhone, you just hold on the hyphen to get to them

    And many word processors (and Linux via compose) turn a triple hyphen into one

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago*

    I use a the Compose key (Compose hyphen hyphen hyphen) or emacs (C-x 8 _ m) on Linux, and on Android, my soft keyboard supports holding hyphen to insert one.

    And the Lemmy Web UI converts a triple hyphen to an em-dash.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    let me -- try something

    yep, lemmy can do it.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    Weird β€” I just see a double dash

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

    The Lemmy Web UI converts a double hyphen to an en-dash and a triple to an em-dash when displaying text. However, not all clients do this. I'm viewing this in Eternity, and it leaves the hyphens intact.

    This conversion happens when viewing the comment, rather than writing it.

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