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[–] 100 points 4 days ago* (8 children)

Honestly this is one of the biggest issues with it all that you don't really see talked about much

Artists sink a load of time into a piece of art they are proud of, and because AI has got to the point now it's not always obvious at first glance to average Joe, so people rely on heuristics to spot it instead.

For this artist apparently it's "yellows"

For anyone who takes photos (or even video now) even half seriously, photos with Bokeh and good lighting get called out now

You like making instrumental electronic or sampled music? Get ready for everything to be called AI

Even writing: I always used to like using em dashes—they're a pretty versatile piece of punctuation for any casual speech style of writing. If you use an em dash now though, someone just assumes the text is AI. So I've generally just stopped; not because I want to, because AI and people (somewhat understandably) not having a better way to identify AI writing.

Hell, I made an excel sheet the other day to work some stuff out and someone asked how I got the AI to do it.....

Now I'm not saying it's everyone, but I'm seeing a group of people forming, who basically say anything they can't immediately understand how to do themselves must be AI. I have a suspicion it's the same demographic that would say "well I could do that" in a modern art museum or "all they do is press play" when looking at any kind of electronic music production.

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  • [–] 33 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    If it gives you any consolation, I’m also a fan of em dashes and don’t assume LLM output when seeing them. But there are other telltale signs of LLM writing. At least when the LLM is not instructed to hide those maybe?

    The “default” LLM style is so grating to me, in a condescending corpospeak kind of way.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 days ago* (2 children)

    One thing that always makes me think something is AI written is the repeated use of sentences like "It's not X, its Y".

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  • [–] 5 points 4 days ago*

    You’re absolutely right! Let’s see if we can find better ways to determine if something is AI-generated:

    • what other styles are giveaways?
    • maybe a combination of em dashes and bulleted lists?
    • I’m running out of ideas for this joke.
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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago

    After several years of Word automatically changing a dash between two words to a wider dash (maybe not the same type as emdash?) it's weird to see those same dashes becoming a tell of inauthentic.

    When are we going to see the AI using two spaces after a full stop to try and pretend that it types like someone more than 50 years old?

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  • [–] 14 points 4 days ago* (3 children)

    I'm currently writing a book and I'm terrified of using EM dashes, even where they would be perfectly applicable. I always end up restructuring the sentences to avoid it. The only instance i keep it is for dialogoue interruptions like:

    "I bend over and spread my—"

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  • [–] 11 points 4 days ago (17 children)

    I think what makes the em dash seem AI-like is... there isnt an em dash button on the keyboard.

    So typically the only way those show up is when markdown-to-blog-post tools convert normal dashes into stylized em dashes as a transpiling process.

    Stuff like hugo and etc largely do this automatically.

    So if a poster uses an em dash out of that context, it right away throws up a red flag cuz... howd you do that easily?

    Did you memorize the alt code to make one?

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  • [–] 22 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    Did you memorize the alt code to make one?

    If you use the compose key, you don't have to memorize the unicode value. You just press compose ---.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    i gotta be honest, before it became a big talking point with AI, i didn't realize em dashes, en dashes, and dashes were different characters, just different grammatical functions of the same character. i figured fancy word processors made them longer to make them distinct from minus signs, but that was it!

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago*

    If you go through Unicode, there are a bunch of hyphen-like characters. In many typefaces, some may appear identical.

    searches

    EDIT: That's not an exhaustive list, either. Off-the-cuff, I can also think of the line-drawing characters, which also have a horizontal line.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    So if a poster uses an em dash out of that context, it right away throws up a red flag cuz... howd you do that easily?

    Did you memorize the alt code to make one?

    On KDE, the default keyboard layout makes it pretty easy to type the various dashes and quotation marks, so that's one way. Ever since discovering that, I've been making a conscious effort to use them (because I am the type of person who likes doing the typograhically correct thing, even in an informal context… maybe that's the problem, actually). Haven't been called out as “AI” yet, but it's probably going to happen at some point.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    It depends on the keyboard, and the software. I'm using HeliBoard on my phone right now, and all I have to do to make an em dash is hold the dash key—that's it. It's actually quite trivial to add em dashes in various cases, and I wish folks wouldn't pretend otherwise.

    I also make use of other characters, like my beloved interrobang. I actually have that pinned to my clipboard, so I can paste it when it's appropriate.

    "You care about writing enough to use special characters‽"

    "Yes."

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Okay, but using the interrobang is a perfect sign that the text isn't AI generated 😂 Genius move!

    Agree about the em-dash thing, it's really not that hard.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago

    I suppose it is a woefully underutilized glyph, isn't it? I consider it very important, and make sure to check any typefaces I download, to ensure it's designed before using them in creative projects. While it didn't become mainstream, I love letting people know it exists through writing when an opportunity arises.

    Exactly, they're usually pretty easy to add if you want to. I totally understand most folks don't talk so formally when in informal settings, but the em dash thing is hardly the smoking gun paranoid people want it to be. A lot of the "tells" by themselves are just punching at competent writers; it's the same thing that happens to visual artists, or musicians, or anything else creative. You can try and find several tells at once—and sometimes you do—but it tends to boil down to glorified witch hunting, rather than something of substance. People want desperately to be able to just know something is AI generated on vibes alone. It's not always going to be that easy, and most aren't the sleuths they believe they are.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago

    As someone who uses a phone — you just hold a minus until it allows you to input dashes. Also, when I used windows I had it memorized, on Linux it doesn't always work, but should be Ctrl+U 2014, on Mac it's just minus with modifier buttons pressed

    It's not hard to input that if you want to

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago* (2 children)

    Did you memorize the alt code to make one?

    Fun fact: on some keyboard layouts you can access the em dash easly

    This is the most common Italian layout

    You can see that you just need to press control+hyphen

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    The marking above the hyphen there is an underscore


    it's telling you that hitting shift-hyphen will give you an underscore.

    You may be using software that supports inserting an em-dash when you hit that combination, but I don't believe that it's the keyboard layout that dictates that.

    searches

    It sounds like Microsoft Word does something similar:

    https://www.avantixlearning.ca/microsoft-word/how-to-insert-an-em-dash-or-en-dash-in-a-word-document-4-ways/

    Use Ctrl with keyboard shortcuts to insert an em or en dash

    To insert an em dash, click where you want to insert the em dash and then press Ctrl + Alt + – (minus sign on the numeric keypad).

    To insert an en dash, click where you want to insert the en dash and then press Ctrl + – (minus sign on the numeric keypad).

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago

    Yes, if you use shift it will give you an underscore but with control (or alt gr) it will give an em dash, should be a thing on Windows and i belive KDE

    Or it could be that the keyboard that i use is just like ts but i doubt

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago*

    Mac has always been opt+shift+hyphen

    Honestly for old versions of windows yes, you had to learn the arcane alt+0151, but I was already used to that for typing in french on a British keyboard. It's now more like Mac with win+shift+hyphen

    Android and IPhone, you just hold on the hyphen to get to them

    And many word processors (and Linux via compose) turn a triple hyphen into one

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago*

    I use a the Compose key (Compose hyphen hyphen hyphen) or emacs (C-x 8 _ m) on Linux, and on Android, my soft keyboard supports holding hyphen to insert one.

    And the Lemmy Web UI converts a triple hyphen to an em-dash.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 child)

    With photography it's also a grey area. I'm a professional underwater photographer. I've got thousands of dollars of specialized housings, lighting, wet lenses, etc, but the color is still wrong because water. Meanwhile some open water student swam by 40 minutes ago and made the whole area hazy.

    So for decades I've done various degrees of touch up and and color grading because what you see with your eyes looks nothing like what comes out of the camera because human eyes and brains do a lot of processing that camera sensors don't.

    And then there's generative stuff that I don't think impact the art of photography. If someone uses generative noise reduction I don't think that's a problem. The non-generative solution to that is spending an extra 10 grand on a better camera and lens, so it's not as much of a skill issue as a money one. I'm absolutely fine with people using generative tools for that stuff.

    So where's the border between acceptable and unacceptable post-processing? There's clearly bad stuff like wholesale fakes and such, but I don't know if we have a clear line.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago*

    Smartphone cameras are almost certainly the largest source of photography in society today, and those things default to doing all kinds of automatic processing on the images they take.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago

    The em dash is just one of the signs that usually (if you use more rhan 1 braincell) does not in itself signal AI. For me at least I need more than just them to identify something as AI, it's the way they phrase stuff and use typical AI sentence structures.

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