Hello, just wanted to share my story as a reminder with all the lay offs in the gaming industry, it has been terrible outside of it too. I've been working as an automation QA for a pretty decent software company and I was about to hit like 11 years on the job. Also on the side I've been trying to get my own indie game dev studio off the ground with releasing 3 small games in the past 3 years.

After saving for like 10 years and living in small rented apartments, last summer I finally managed to secure enough money so I can get a loan to buy my first apartment. After a year of dealing with contractors (yes, they are that slow!!!) I finally moved and was hoping to be able to focus my free time on my game again. However literally first Monday we have a meeting with a head of our department and they said we are practically being replaced with A.I. So around 60% of the company is gone across all offices in 3 different continents...

I guess my dream has always been to go full time game dev, it's just I was hoping to be able to do it on my own terms and not kinda being forced into it. But with no real money coming in from my previous games I might not be able to make payments for the place I bought and spent most of my adult life saving for.

So now I guess I don't have a choice but to go all in on my current game. If you want to check it out and leave feedback on how it looks or even wishlist, you can so here STEAM

Wish me luck guys and gals!

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[–] 58 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (37 children)

So let me get this straight: you say its not generated with AI, yet you include the fucking Prompt of ChatGPT?

The translation:

Heres the Translation into German. I have chosen a clinical, depressing tone (spoiler: it didn't, its quite meta) to underline the tension and hard ethical content of your game.

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  • [+] [S] -18 points 1 day ago (33 children)

    This is just the translation on the Steam page it has nothing to do with the development of the game. Simple as.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Still, marketing is a part of the game, and also one of the easiest things to do without AI via deepl or something

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  • [–] 14 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

    without AI via deepl or something

    This deepl?

    Also note that Google Translate is AI too. It uses neural networks. Has for like a decade I believe.

    Really what it seems to me you're saying is that nobody should use machine translations and one should always hire a translator for translating things into/from languages they don't speak?

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  • [–] -2 points 11 hours ago (1 child)

    For professional work - yes everyone should hire translators.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    Yes, people who got laid off from their day jobs surely can afford paying other people.

    What about indie development is 'professional'? This is not Blizzard or EA games you're talking about.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 hours ago (1 child)

    He’s selling it, so it’s at least somewhat profesional. And no one expects the game to be translated to every language ever. Most indie games only release in English, especially at first.

    AI translations just cheapen your art, and as someone who speaks multiple languages I can tell you first hand - AI translations are NOT good when it comes to stories. They’re barely good enough for translating a conversation coherently. And on top of it all is it not incredibly ironic for someone who was laid off because of AI to use AI?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 hours ago (1 child)

    The demo for the game at least is English-only. It's literally only the Steam description page like he said.

    At worst this is slightly misleading because someone might expect it to have translations in the game as well, but quite literally, such a non-issue to nitpick an indie dev over.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 hours ago

    I was talking more generally, but in this case I agree it’s a small issue. I’d personally prefer if the dev removed the translated descriptions because it’s like you said, misleading and I’d even argue borderline insulting. That being said I do wish the dev good luck and I ought check the demo out at some point soon.

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  • [–] 6 points 22 hours ago

    Yes, Google Translate has used neural networks for quite a while. Recently they've also switched it to using the same Gemini LLMs that they give you chat interfaces with, so it's pretty equivalent to using ChatGPT for translations. It's just another company's version of the same thing, wrapped in a translation interface.

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  • [–] -1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 child)

    It's not an LLM IIRC (the deepl one at least, Google now uses gemini)

    Edit: apparently Deepl has been converted to an LLM since some time

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  • [–] 8 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

    what in blazes do you think is a «large language model»?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 child)

    Deepl was around way before LLMs. It was still made with neutral networks trained on research papers and the like but it couldn't be communicated with or generate stuff for you. So u can see why axolotl thought that it didn't use LLMs. However it seems to nowadays use LLMs

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago (1 child)

    It was still made with neutral networks trained on research papers
    Deepl was around way before LLMs


    What makes one think NNs are not LLMs?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 hours ago*

    LLMs are NNs for whoever is wondering btw

    Edit: i wanna add that NNs used specifically for translations are way less impactful on the enviroment, i don't know how deepl got the data but google would crowdsource them because it's just wayy easier to do with something so specific and gives higher quality than stolen stuff

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  • [–] 1 point 11 hours ago* (1 child)

    All LLMs are AIs but not all AIs are LLMs (and LLMs are what y'all are hating)

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago (1 child)

    not all AIs are LLMs

    Pray tell what AI isn't trained on ❝large contested data❞

    LLMs are what y’all are hating)

    🧵, blatantly. But asset diffusers from stolen assets are also highly discouraged, as they are illegal, and it demonstrated the planet the two classes than ever before: corporate power can lobby copyright infringement, while everyone else cannot. Many hate it for quality reasons. I hate it because it's fascism in its purest form: appropriating assets without consent.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 child)

    Pray tell what AI isn't trained on ❝large contested data❞

    Search Engines (no, i don't mean that bullshit google did, i mean any search engine before 2020), reccomendation systems(many other algorithms too), OCR, etc etc

    🧵, blatantly. But asset diffusers from stolen assets are also highly discouraged, as they are illegal, and it demonstrated the planet the two classes than ever before: corporate power can lobby copyright infringement, while everyone else cannot. Many hate it for quality reasons. I hate it because it's fascism in its purest form: appropriating assets without consent

    I can only agree, i will be a "fan" of LLMs only when someone decide to train them with data collected legally, which no one does apparently, i hope it gets easy and economic to train LLMs, even stupid ones on your own data, so i could train one on my git repos or some documentation

    Edit: removed "translation" because i forgot that they use (ofc) NNs

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 child)

    Search Engine([…]i mean any search engine before 2020), reccomendation systems(many other algorithms too), OCR,

    … how do you think these aggregating sorters are trained?
    The OCR argument is contradictory.

    train them with data collected legally

    Fascists are already colluding to make their breaches legal.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago (1 child)

    Fascists are already colluding to make their breaches legal.

    Well, i mean, legal like before the fascist scum tried to make the illegal legal

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago (1 child)

    sure.
    But be aware crawlers (search engines), OCR, and even suggestions sorters are trained on data, especially adversarially. Some infringing IP, some self-generated.
    OP got smacked for using a LLM, when e could have hired localizers, even 🧵.

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  • [–] 9 points 23 hours ago* (1 child)

    without AI via deepl...

    Will somebody tell him?

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  • [–] 8 points 22 hours ago

    I know he means "without the use of LLMs.". That's the big thing being forced down People's throats that they don't like.

    I doubt people are rebelling against reinforcement learning for physically based animations, or prediction engines to forecast the weather

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