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[–] 104 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

"It's hard work and it takes too long. China is trying to do it "

2 years later and after China has done it, "why are the chinese taking the lead on all of this? we should be doing things more like China."

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  • [–] 71 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Sorry, I was perhaps unclear - China is and has been setting up chip foundaries regardless of the global memory prices, simply to have domestic production of those components. Production of memory modules during this period of AI ratfucking is just a happy bonus.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Yes because they have an autonomy incentive, but "our" (as in Western capitalism) incentives is solely on profit and profit is being done, therefore we will never solve this because in fact there's no problem. We are being mocked by all these PC parts suppliers.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    I don't think you're wrong, I'm just not sure how it relates to what I said.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    But they really wanted to shit on capitalism regardless of context.

    What's weird is that capitalism should be driving others to set up fabs because it is so profitable.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    The fact it runs on profit is not the deciding factor in this case. If the RAM manufacturers had more capacity, they would profit even more. The main problem is that those factories are huge investments that you would need to commit until the finish-line successfully without going bankrupt before you will be able to produce anything. China can take this risk because state funds and actual geopolitical justifications. Western countries can say to themselves too easily that they can keep buying it from Asia, which causes no countries or investors to want to commit to a similar project.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    Haven’t they been drooling over Taiwan’s tech and foundries for years now?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    More or less, though they recently bought their way in to a domestic EUV foundry so their coveting of TSMC will likely reduce in the near future as that comes online.

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