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Why are the Canadian women of ISIS coming home without being charged? (globalnews.ca)
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The government said Canadians who joined ISIS would face the 'full force' of the law, but not a single woman who lived under ISIS has yet been convicted.

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[–] 5 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Why is the federal government even allowing them to return to Canada?? Our liberal government and justice system is broken.

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  • [–] 68 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If they are still legally citizens, the country cannot refuse them entry to the country.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    Sure, but aiding and abetting an organization that is legally recognized and sanctioned by Canada and pretty much all other developed countries as terrorist group has to run afoul of some law.

    Like, what the fuck are these people saying to the customs reentry officers when they ask what they were doing in Afghanistan or Syria or whatever for the last several years? “Just some stuff, don’t worry about it”?

    Edit: clarification: I am aware that it is considered a violation of human rights to render a person stateless. I am expressing surprise that the former terrorists returning to Canada weren’t immediately arrested on terrorism charges upon entry.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It doesn’t matter if they murdered half the world. Canada cannot deny them entry. Now, they can allow entry and take them straight to jail. But that is still allowing entry into their country of citizenship

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Well yeah; that’s what I mean. I’m surprised they weren’t taken straight to jail, pending trial.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Our jails are crowded and some of them are falling apart. Put them in jail after trial by all means, if their sentences so dictate. Putting them in jail before trial is only a good idea if they're flight risks or a danger to others (which some of these women might be, I admit, but you need at least a figleaf of justification beyond "ISIS bad"). If they're in jail, the money to feed, clothe, and house them comes out of our tax dollars, which may be better spent elsewhere.

    (That's in addition to the fact that some of them could still be found not guilty, in which case you've just held innocent people in jail.)

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    …these people spent anywhere from a few years to a decade aiding, abetting, and enabling terrorist extremist groups. I would absolutely consider them a flight risk and a potential danger to others, under the circumstances.

    Don’t get me wrong - the US justice system is idiotic in a myriad of ways, but if a US citizen tried to return to the country after years of gallivanting around with ISIS or Boko Haram or whatever other extremist group you’d care to name (pointedly: any extremist group, not just specifically Islamic-identifying ones), I would fully expect the US customs agent to call in the federal marshalls the second it became apparent that they’d probably been off doing sketchy shit with terrorists. And I say that because I would further expect the FBI to have clued in on the fact that they’d been doing that, and would probably have a case file on them, and perhaps charges pending, and likely even a warrant out for their arrest.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    As Canadian citizens they have a Section 6 right to return to Canada. You know, the same Section 6 right that the fucking tantrumists thought was being taken away because no country would take them during the pandemic because they weren't vaccinated

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    Calm yourself. It's not easy to deny someone entry to their birthplace, nor to remove citizenship when they have nothing else.

    Stop watching Pierre and his endless drama and you'll be fine.

    Go learn.

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  • [+] -8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Canada is bordering on New Wave Dystopia and failed state.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Go back to r/canada.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Nah you can go back to Reddit

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I like it here. There's less of you anti-Canadian trolls.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Likewise, maybe you should remove one and go back to Reddit. Make Lemmy better for the rest of us.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    "I know you are but what am I?"

    You are everything we've come to expect from the very best that the SinoRussian anti-Canada simp brigade has to offer.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Lmao, not anti Canadian. I would love for Canada to be strong and thrive. Under the current government Canada has become a sickly Victorian child. High cost of living and the stripping of the rights of citizens has turned the current government corrupt and drunk with power. The only way to become strong again is to unrestrict citizens and spend less across the board.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    stripping of the rights of citizens

    What rights, exactly, quoting chapter and verse of the Charter along with any relevant judicial findings do you think have been stripped from Canadians?

    I've heard people claim that their Section 6 rights to travel across interprovincial boundaries unimpeded and to leave and reenter Canada was taken away after they drove across multiple interprovincial unimpeded because their Section 2 rights to freedom of assembly and protest had been taken away by freely associating and protesting in Ottawa that they couldn't leave Canada because no one would take them because they had exercised their Section 8 right not to be vaccinated. So obviously it wasn't Section 2, Section 6, or Section 8 so I'm interested to hear which rights you're convinced beyond question were taken away under this government.

    EDIT: Downvotes are fucking useless on Lemmy. There is no Karma. No one fucking cares. So...give me all your pathetic, impotent downvotes. They don't change the fact that this is the truth.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I get throwing a lot of words at someone impressed them, but it doesn't work.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-bans-new-handgun-sales-imports-latest-gun-action-2022-10-21/

    https://fortune.com/2022/06/11/canada-gun-laws-control-us-school-mass-shooting-uvalde/

    https://cssa-cila.org/a-brief-history-of-gun-control-in-canada-1867-to-1945/

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-journal-of-law-and-society-la-revue-canadienne-droit-et-societe/article/abs/firearm-rights-in-canada-law-and-history-in-the-debates-over-gun-control/AFCD4D8E42EC20F06B8B51E3D0019558

    Here's a bit about the degredation of Canadian gun rights and how gun control in Canada is historically used to control and hurt minority groups.

    Section 33 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is used to circumvent the rights of Canadians.

    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/civil-liberties-justice-reform-groups-165939139.html

    Innocent until proven guilty, not anymore.

    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/covid-19-pandemic-restrictions-vs-the-charter-of-rights-and-freedoms

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/emergencies-act-canada-2022-ccla-legal-court-1.6799416

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/20/americas/canada-trucker-protest-covid-sunday/index.html

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trudeau-canada-freeze-bank-accounts-freedom-convoy-truckers-2022-2?op=1

    And all the fuckery involved with the freedom convoy, using the emergencies act and freezing the finances of protesters.

    This is only the beginning. The government will push more and more to control and restrict its citizens, and most of you will let them.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    You do not have the right to own a gun in Canada.

    Proof

    Next.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Why yes, having everyday citizens be able to purchase firearms since the countries existence, only to them remove such ability and make anyone who keeps the property a criminal isn't a degredation of rights and freedoms then you are blind.

    Also, nice only attempting to refute one of my many points.

    Next.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    You made a Gish Gallop.

    I didn't "attempt to refute" your arguments. I proved that you were wrong. You have no right to own a firearm in Canada.

    [Montague] argued that the right to bear arms has always been a part of Canada’s Constitution. His arguments failed to convince the trial court. The Ontario Court of Appeal upheld the lower court’s ruling that there is no constitutional right to bear arms in Canada. Montague tried to appeal the case one more time, to the Supreme Court of Canada. On September 16, 2010, the Court announced that it would not hear the appeal. As a result, the ruling that there is no Canadian right to bear arms is settled constitutional law for the foreseeable future. The Supreme Court said in 1993 that “Canadians, unlike Americans do not have a constitutional right to bear arms.” Montague will not have a chance to change the Court’s mind.

    Now that you've descended to name calling were done.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Rights and Freedoms. I have said many times, what you have as a right you have as a freedom, but you had as a freedom may not be a right. You had the freedom to own and operate firearms since the countries inception, but the current government is doing everything it can to remove the ability for its citizens to defend themselves, or any other lawful reason to use a firearm. To have such a right for many years only to take it away and make previously lawful citizens into criminal is a degredation of rights and freedoms. Good job also not discussing any other point and focusing on this one with nomenclature you didn't understand.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    As I said, now that you've descended to name calling, we're done. If you want to talk to me you will be respectful of I will ignore you. No one owes you a response if you're being an ass.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Under the current government Canada has become a sickly Victorian child.

    You are clearly delusional. Canada is one of the best countries in the world to live in. You are definitely anti-Canadian if you're spreading this utter nonsense.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    A government drowned in debt, barely able to defend itself, going through multiple crisis', and attempting to restrict the rights and freedoms of it's citizens is sickly. Much like how Victorian children are portrayed.

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