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Ontario eyes barring new bike lanes where car lanes would be cut (www.cbc.ca)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by to c/canada@lemmy.ca
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The Ontario government is considering bringing forward legislation that could prohibit the installation of bike lanes when lanes for motor vehicles are removed as a result, sources say.

Siemiatycki said "this government has signalled that the car is king," pointing to prior steps the governing Progressive Conservatives (PCs) have taken to ease costs for drivers.

He sees the PCs as making a clear play for the votes of motorists, and believes the policy would also appeal to many drivers frustrated with congestion on the roads.

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[–] 31 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This is such a municipal issue it's annoying to see the Province wanting to butt in in the first place.

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    • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Well that's shit.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    I think we need to keep educating the people we know that the only way to decrease traffic in the city is to move as many people as possible out of their cars into public transit or on bikes. That's an easy point to make.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Preface: I work with a hard core "they're going to make us eat crickets" kinda guy.

    He was going on about how "how bad traffic is in the GTA and how they are trying to take away our cars so that no one drives any more." So I point out that if they added a bunch more Go Trains in the GTA you wouldn't need your car to commute AND there would be less traffic on the highway for the people who do drive.

    But where are you going to park all those extra trains.

    Bruh. There are how many million fucking cars that drive to the GTA and park every god damned day but you want to know where they are going to park 30 trains?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    But where are you going to park all those extra trains.

    Bad faith argument and false equivalency.

    They don't think a second about the spatial constraints of cars, so using this argument is a failed attempt at using the enemy's weapons against themselves.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago*

    Lol, yeah, rail depots are just such a mystery to figure out. I guess the fact that you can put these anywhere out of the way means the guy has never seen one. As opposed to parking garages that have to be at the destination.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I keep trying, and around the younger people my age it's mostly agreement, but when it comes to people even just slightly older they just "like driving" and hate cyclists and think public transit sucks. They don't understand that the reason for their dislike is due to the poor biking and transit infrastructure and car-centric roads and cities.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago*

    Totally fine. When I get that, I go with "Well a lot of people don't like driving; transit and bikes take those cars away from the road so your driving will be nicer. The more people in cars the worse the driving for you. We can't build wide enough to accommodate it while being able to afford living here. Transit and bikes are much cheaper and get cars out of your way. Vroom vroom"

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    • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    This is just another example of Ford's retail politics.

    From the guy who brought you "buck a beer" and handing out twenties when he was running for CPC leader.

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    [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Non-AMP URL

    Also obligatory !fuckcars@lemmy.world.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    I know google's amp links are BS designed to keep in you a google ecosystem and never take you to the actual content creators' sites. Do you mind outlining for my and others' edification what's not to like about CBC's links with "amp" in them? I'd love to know. Thanks!

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    • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    Is that a typo? You mean barring car lanes where bike lanes need to go, right?

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    [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    Go to hell, Ontario.

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    [–] -2 points 2 years ago

    I’ll get the popcorn ready. This should be good.

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    [+] -11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Honestly, there aren't many places that do bike lanes well anyway, and so long as the idea of bike lanes in Ontario is a painted line at the edge of the asphalt, I wouldn't bother.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So many bike lanes are not well considered. They have poor maintenance because they’re the shoulder, they can be filled with debris that punctures tires or reduces traction, there are manhole covers are grates, parked cars, or they lead into sidewalks that you can’t legally bike on, etc.

    As a rider you have to do what’s safest, and when there isn’t quality infrastructure that means avoiding certain roads and taking the full lane on others.

    This law would simply make it impossible to create that infrastructure, which really sucks

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You're supposed to take the lane if the "bike shoulder" isn't safe to ride in

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yes, but then you have to be prepared to be verbally abused, honked at, hated, or even just plain hit by a car because drivers don't understand this.

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