The Design is Very Human (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
 

having a moment here in gnome

to everyone pointing out that this is for touchpads;

a: it's awful on that too

b: note the mouse in the example given

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[–] 168 points 2 years ago (7 children)

This is an affront to nature

Looking at you Apple who has this option on by default.

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  • [–] 106 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    This is actually pretty nice for touchpad. It's atrocious for scrollwheel though.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    IIRC it's default in Windows and GNOME now too. It's a very strange default.

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    [–] 107 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I'd rather have an app with unnecessary options that nobody will ever use than one where some UX expert somewhere has decided the exact way I have to interact with the program.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It is not about the wording, rather the having the option? No one would call that direction natural.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Actually "natural" gets a pass from me. It doesn't feel right just because we got used to the opposite.

    Imagine a paper scroll on rolls. If you slide the top of the roll upwards - the paper goes up, and you can see more bottom content. The exact opposite happens when you scroll the mouse wheel with default config.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I’ll preface this by agreeing that it’s just a matter of preference but, to me, natural scrolling on trackpads makes sense because the the trackpad “feels” like the virtual piece of paper you’re moving around. However, the scroll wheel “feels” like some sort of roller separating my finger from the page, kind of like the ones printers use to feed paper. In that case, traditional scrolling is closer to the real-life behavior.

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    [–] 90 points 2 years ago (21 children)

    There was a point in time where first person video games couldn't make their minds up and so games came with the option to have the y-axis inverted. Moving the mouse up would make the PC look down and vice versa.

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  • [–] 83 points 2 years ago

    It's because of joysticks and typical flight controls. Pushing forward goes down and pulling backwards is "pulling up".

    Joysticks rules for a long time before the mouse came out. Home computers came standard with joystick ports.

    Keyboard controls followed this convention and when mouse controls came into FPS games this was the first instinct... Moving the mouse "forward" looks down.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Still a setting in any game worth caring about. I still prefer inverted in some cases.

    Something like a mounted turret makes more sense inverted if you think of the mouse as an analog of your hand. Moving the handles down would move the tip of the barrel up. This analogy could easily extend to a two handed rifle or even a hand gun if your mental reference is the back of the gun, the handle

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    [–] 60 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I blame macs for this. The mouse should move the viewport, not the content, and touchpads/touchscreens are not mice. Having mice default to moving the viewport and touchscreens/-pads default to moving the content is perfectly natural.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    perfectly natural

    Have you talked to anyone who grew up with smartphones and tablets, then transitioned to computers with a pointer? They will strongly disagree with you.

    The mental model we have of “scrolling” is largely a product of our earliest experience.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Gotta be honest as the resident Mac fanboy, it blew my mind that they don't separate this. Natural scroll on trackpads makes sense. Traditional scrolling on mice makes sense. Apparently, if you use a combo mouse/trackpad (like in my case, a laptop with a mouse on the side to prevent RSI) you can only pick one or the other without a third party app.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    They don’t separate it because scrolling on the goddamned Magic Mouse is more similar to a trackpad. I’m like 99% sure that’s it. I vaguely remember that thing’s introduction being around the same time natural scrolling became the default.

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  • [–] 56 points 2 years ago

    they are GASLIGHTING us into thinking reverse way is NORMAL!

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    i only use that for touchpad

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    [–] 31 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Stop trying to make all PCs phones, its not going to happen. STOP.

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    I love the natural direction for my track pad and phone, but I'll die before I use it on my mouse. I have to use a 3rd party app to make my mouse behave the way I want and still use a track pad

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I preferred the term "Australian scrolling"

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    [–] 18 points 2 years ago*

    You only use that on a touchpad

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's supposed to mimic how you scroll on your phone. Fine for TouchPads (depending on when you learned to use it(i.e., if you learned to use a touch pad after learning to use a smart phone then it would make, slightly, more sense)), abhorrent for mice.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I have natural scrolling on for both mouse and touchpad, I like it much better. It's a pain in Windows though, have to edit register to change wheel direction.

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    [–] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Most of the time, the linux memes community sparks better debates and discussion than the linux one, where everything is circlejerk and "windows bad"

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    [–] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    i dont get it. what's "natural scrolling"?

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  • [–] 43 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

    The wrong way. Scrolling moves the content instead of moving the "camera".

    Touch screens move the content. Mouse wheels have always moved the observer/camera. They're pushing the touch scrolling style to mouse wheels too.

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