Televisions that can stream platforms like Hulu or Max usually come loaded with technology that collects information on what viewers are watching, and buyers consent to have their viewing tracked when they open their new TV and click through terms of service agreements. Sometimes, data firms can connect those viewing habits to a voter’s phone or laptop via their IP address, promising a trove of information about an individual and the ability to track them across screens.

Other times, firms focus on dividing households into groups based on what they’re watching, how they use their TVs and how many campaign ads they’re seeing, which is a boon to political campaigns eager to target specific groups of voters. Connecting this data to voter files is increasingly a focus — a move that adds individual voting habits into the mix.

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[–] 96 points 2 years ago (18 children)

The more and more of stuff like this I see, the kore I just wan't to buy the cheapest possible mini pc, make it tv remote controllable and just put it to open jellyfin directly that's connected to my home media server.

And then hook it up to the most dumb tv I can fijd with decent picture quality.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Just don't let it connect to internet.

    There are no good dumb teevees for home use

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It will work at a premium cost, and only until they start selling them with LTE chips buried away in the motherboard.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So many devices come with those now.... I open up my products and remove the card, the antenna, or the whole board if possible.

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    For example, my sleep apnea machine had a wifi for home and a LTE modem. Data gathered by the machine was sent off-site...no reports available on the host. Privacy policy read it would gather info, run diagnostics on itself and the local network without explanation of what it was doing.

    My sleep data could not be viewed by me, only through the 3rd party, so I ripped out the wifi board and LTE chip. I haul the machine into my doctor office so he can cycle through data on the tiny display.

    He hates it, but I remind him he picked the machine without asking me if I agreed to to the data collection.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Ya fuck that. That's why I have an IOT vlan, though even that has its caveats. Nest speakers with microphones and your sleep apnea machine have some good personal data gathering capabilities despite it.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It's becoming harder to find TVs that will operate without a network connection

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Even if you just passing your device to it?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I've seen it on some Samsungs and LGs that get real pissy when the TV itself isn't online. I've also heard of some brands (that I don't remember atm) that won't even let you go through the initial setup without a connection.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    ... I've also heard of some brands (that I don't remember atm) that won't even let you go through the initial setup without a connection.

    /Microsoft announced new foray into TVs...

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    As others have said, just buy a TV that meets your A/V needs and don't connect it to the internet.

    I know everyone talks about Jellyfin these days, but Kodi is an excellent option too if you don't need streaming to multiple devices. I use Kodi via LibreElec on an rpi4 and it's been great. All media is stored on my home server and shared over Samba, but you can easily store it locally on the box if you don't have a server.

    For music streaming, I run a separate instance of miniDLNA on my server, since I like to browse-by-directory for my music instead of relying solely on metadata. This also allows you to stream to any DLNA-friendly device on the LAN.

    I've digitized my disc collection and just keep the physical media as a backup. The local library has a huge selection of media too...and if we don't use it, we'll lose it.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I've tried to do this a few times, and unfortunately it feels like you really have to go all in on managing your own content library.

    Like many, I had stopped pirating shit when netflix etc were "good".

    None of the streaming services want you to use them outside of their official sites/apps, so you end up being limited to like 720p when running them through kodi etc.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago*

    I never touched streaming services, mostly cause they came to my country 2years ago and were already shit they are now, plus cost me too much to even afford one.

    So I just have torrenting setup automated with arr software. ( Don't even need a vpn because my country has no copyright laws so free to torrent whatever I wan't )

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    [–] 50 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The year is 2024. I purchase a nice TV to shun nearly all of its features and never connect it to the internet because it's designed to be actively malicious.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    While I get your point, the TV isn’t nice because of its app features. If it’s a nice TV it’s because of its display panel and features like upscaling, interpolation, etc., and it’s being subsidized by those built-in apps and tracking functionality.

    By purchasing a nice TV, never using the built-in apps, and never connecting the TV to the Internet (or better yet connecting it to a segregated VLAN and dropping literally all traffic to/from the TV), you’re costing the company money on that TV set. Or probably more accurately you’re like the credit card user that maximizes their point rewards while paying off the balance every paycheck, you’re profiting off people who are in debt to their credit card company for whatever reason.

    To be clear, I have a G series LG OLED that is not only in its own VLAN with no traffic allowed in or out, but I drop all DNS that isn’t coming from my pihole at the WAN port on my edge router, I watch stuff from a secondary device, and most everything I watch is pirated and streamed locally anyway, so I’m definitely subsidizing my entertainment with the privacy invasion of others. If I could get an OLED tv without any of the built in OS stuff I absolutely would, and would be willing to pay more for a SKU with that stuff stripped out, but afaik that’s just not possible.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    If you can’t produce a product without subsidizing it by pumping it full of data tracking nonsense then you don’t deserve to be a fucking company.

    Fuck that and you know it. They only produce this garbage because they get more value out of your data not because they can’t fucking manufacture a good affordable tv.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Eye M8tey! 🏴‍☠️🦜🦜🏴‍☠️

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    For a long time I have disconnected my TV from WiFi, I watch the news in the morning and watch movies on the official website of public TV or on Pluto TV on the computer or via Bluetooth on TV for free and without ads. It has been clear to me for a long time that the prefix "smart...." on electronic devices is synonymous with "spy....".

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    I Chromecast content from my computer and phone.

    If I don't watch/stream stuff otherwise, and my TV isn't connected to anything else I'm aware of, is my data being exfiltrated? It's a Sony from ~2015

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