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[–] 6 points 5 hours ago

I didn't have to do a whole research paper on this to know that if I'm doing somebody else's job as a customer, the company is saving money.

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  • [–] 66 points 15 hours ago* (3 children)

    That "$300 billion" number is just completely made up. The math doesn't even remotely work.

    The entire US grocery industry does somewhere around $1 trillion in revenue per year. For self-checkout to save $300 billion, that would mean roughly a third of every dollar spent on groceries was going directly to cashier wages. That is obviously not how grocery stores operate. Total labor costs for a store are only a fraction of their expenses.

    And the idea that self-checkout was some massive money-saving miracle ignores the other side of the equation. Those systems cost a lot upfront, require maintenance, and they increase losses from theft, missed scans, and mistakes. A machine replacing a cashier doesn't magically eliminate costs; it just moves them somewhere else.

    There is a reason companies like Walmart, Target, and Dollar General have started putting limits on self-checkout or bringing back more staffed lanes. If self-checkout was saving them hundreds of billions, they wouldn't be walking it back. They would be installing them everywhere they could.

    This is the kind of post that hurts any community built around open discussion and critical thinking. A sensational claim gets repeated because it supports a certain viewpoint, while nobody stops to ask if it is actually true. The truth should matter regardless of whether it supports corporations, consumers, or anyone else. Being intellectually honest means checking the facts first, not just accepting information because it confirms what we already believe.

    On a side note, totally support the bill in every way.

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  • [–] 10 points 13 hours ago*

    To further add some numbers (and their source) to this, the average grocery cashier makes $15-16 an hour, or liberally $35k a year. Note that this isn't the entire cost of a cashier, the checkout equipment and POS systems cost money too - let's assume that and the automatic checkout system are in the same order of magnitude. There were about 800k grocery store cashiers in the US in 2017 (source) so that's about $28 billion, or ~3% of that proposed $1T revenue.

    Many factors not included in this calc, more importantly regional variations in costs. Food prices and wages are higher than average in NY, 10% might not be pretty well calculated for that state. Also, human employees must be insured/have benefits, and machines do not require this. That cost savings on stores isn't in the calculus here.

    Also a huge fan of holding food chains accountable for fair pricing. Hope this becomes effective!

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  • [+] 2 points 10 hours ago (1 child)
  • [–] 4 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    Not OP, but a 2 second Google search turns up that it is in fact about 1 trillion. https://www.fmi.org/our-research/food-industry-facts

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  • [–] 3 points 10 hours ago

    I didn't see your comment until after I deleted mine. But yeah I saw a comment below that actually had statistics from datausa.io.

    I still say that they should back up their rebuttal with their own sources instead of just spitting out a number.

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  • [–] 15 points 13 hours ago (1 child)

    Ok, but since they're too cowardly to implement real price controls they just raised the price of everything by 10%.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 hours ago

    Now watch as Hochul kills it because "it's bad for the economy".

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  • [–] 15 points 15 hours ago (1 child)

    They will increase prices by 10% to offset this.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 hours ago*

    Grocery prices have gone up 25% to 30% since 2020. It has been at least three full years since the pandemic was declared over. And food prices have gone up at around 10% since then.

    They don't need an excuse to add 10%, they're doing it anyway.

    Sources:

    https://americandefault.org/statistics/grocery-price-increase-since-2020/

    https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2025/june/food-price-inflation-slowed-in-2023-and-2024

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  • [–] 43 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

    Fun fact: With very little effort, you can give yourself a discount at checkout!

    Unethical corporations are humanity's predators and we should hurt them however we can.

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    [–] 10 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

    This is why I always skip a few items at self checkout, if you don't want to pay the cashier, then you'll pay me instead

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    [–] 44 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

    Can we go for upcharges on food items for modifying them next? If you are going to charge me $0.30 for adding tomatoes to a sandwich, you better damn well reduce the price by $0.30 when I remove tomatoes from a sandwich.

    This is getting so out of hand in the USA.

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    [–] 5 points 14 hours ago (1 child)

    Sounds like a tax on those who need a catcher or can't use the self checkout for various reasons. I could see stores just removing all the staff on the tills and switch to a self checkout only.

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  • [–] 4 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

    yet they are doing the exact opposite and removing self check out. all because they claim there is more theft from self check out

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  • [–] 8 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

    Not to mention some companies relentlessly prosecute "accidental" and accidental mis-scans in self-checkout, so you significantly increase your risk of arrest by using them. I never do.

    - Ex-cop, have arrested people for such mis-scans, most frequently at Wal-Mart

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  • [–] 1 point 10 hours ago* (2 children)

    Won’t this just encourage people to use self-checkout as it will make using an employed checkout lane more expensive?

    I don’t think many people know how harmful self-checkout is to their neighbors employed the store. I made a comment to a Costco employee about how I was glad they added the hand scanners to self-checkout, and their response was to educate me that self-checkout isn’t good for the employees because it means fewer jobs. I’m was so self-absorbed in my own day-to-day life that I did not even think about the impact it had on Costco employees. I didn’t even think about the fact that here I am talking about this pain point of self-checkout (having to use the stationary scanner) and relief about having a better option (the hand scanner) when the best option is already there (employees handling the checkout). The real solution is to just open up more jobs, hire more employees to do the scanning and bagging. I stopped using self-checkout after that.

    I went to Aldi recently. You have to put a quarter in to get a shopping cart (I haven’t carried around quarters in ages). The shelves often get into a state of disarray. The line for the 1 employee doing checkout is massive, but self-checkout is also a huge pain in the ass. Continuously cutting jobs to increase profits is a race to the bottom, and yet people who can barely afford groceries think they couldn’t live without a discount chain like Aldi. We are saving pennies by giving up our time doing our own checkout, when we could be getting paid to check people out, providing them some convenience and doing so with greater efficiency instead. I’ll add that many items at Aldi’s are actually more expensive than at other grocery stores, if you’re not paying attention you could end up paying more than a place with more employed checkout lanes.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 child)

    I'm sorry, but you must be a new Aldi shopper. The quarter thing has been their model for ages. Often, you or someone else will just leave a quarter in their cart when they put it back.

    The self-checkout is new, but Aldi is one of those stores that actually does pass the savings on to its customers. It's always 20–30% cheaper at Aldi than other stores in my area. The exception is big-name brand stuff, but the store brand is definitely cheaper. $4 for a 12-pack of knockoff Coke vs. $13 for the name brand at the other stores? It's a no-brainer.

    Edit: I'm not super current on it, but as I recall, Aldi does actually pay its workers well. It's one of the places that has a reputation as "the good one." I'm sure it's not perfect, since it still operates in the U.S. economy, but Aldi has been up there with Costco for its business practices.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 child)

    I'm sorry, but you must be a new Aldi shopper

    It was the first time I had shopped at an Aldi in like a decade. A friend buys my kid these snacks she loves, that are only at Aldi, so I went to check it out. The quarter thing was one of several PITAs I experienced.

    It's always 20–30% cheaper at Aldi than other stores in my area

    That wasn’t my experience. There’s a Smart & Final nearby that has most of the basics at similar or lower cost, especially if you go with store brand. While I was at Aldi I was doing price comparisons against the other stores I go to (using their apps, knowing the price in app is usually higher) and found many items were more expensive at Aldi. Frozen fish was one thing I remember being higher at Aldi. It seems like they drop prices on some items but get you on other items, which is what a lot of grocery stores do.

    I recall, Aldi does actually pay its workers well

    I’d believe that but that’s because there are maybe 3 employees in the entire store. One at checkout, and two running around handling everything else. I figured that’s why the shelves were not arranged well, there’s no one with the time to clean things up after shoppers make a mess. This was a fairly large Aldi too, almost as big as the S&F in my neighborhood. The difference is at the S&F they open up more checkouts when things get busy.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago*

    cool to know! I think Smart and Final might be a regional thing because I've never heard of it. but yeah, one of the draw backs of Aldi is that when they get busy things get messy. In general, I love Aldi. It has it's issues but overall the shittiness seems muted compared to the other big chain stores. I can at least afford the essentials from there and then, when I get special stuff, buy bulk.

    I wish they carried butter beans though.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 hours ago

    An employee check out lane is not always the best option. I like self check out lanes because it is more efficient for me and the lines will move faster because there can be more machines open.

    An employee lane is great when you need assistance, like for elderly or less technically adept people and they should maintain a balance of both. Also agree that they should not charge 10% more to people who use this lane.

    A blanket 10% discount should apply to everyone in a store that has self checkout lanes.

    As to employees losing jobs because of self checkout, cashier is not a super fulfilling job that needs to exist in abundance. Preferably new jobs open up that offer better opportunities to people than just scanning and bagging things and collecting cash.

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  • [–] 19 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

    There may be an unintended consequence of this. Corpos love to optimize to minimize any hits to their bottom line.

    I could see any of these possibilities as a reaction:

    • Self checkouts become overwhelmed so stores remove remaining paid cashiers to add more self checkout lanes.
    • Self checkouts are reduced or removed to avoid giving any discounts.
    • I believe I read that grocery margins are thin at the store and are much higher for manufacturers. I could see stores increasing prices across the board to recoup costs.

    Hard to know for sure, the people seem to just rarely get a W these days that isn’t immediately wiped out by something else.

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    [–] 3 points 13 hours ago

    At first they promised us it would keep the prices down, I already knew that's not how businesses operate but hey...I got no influence over this so let's see how it works out.

    A few years after grocery prices triple with all kinds of excuses, yes excuses...claims about how what when where and why it happened which all turned out to in reality be nothing more then a temporary nuisance, but prices never went down because duhh it's a business.

    So here we are, paying the wages for jobs we do ourselves and a 200% tip to boot.

    I really think we should keep track of the amount of time spent at the self checkout and make a bill for the store manager under the title: "freelance register operator" at a polite $40 bucks an hour.

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