Should have added "no mistakes, no bugs" to the prompt! Pffft, amateur.
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My company has been trying a new model when product folks cut through the red tape of "engineering" and just describe what they want to a powerful LLM pipeline and review the app in a beta env. Sounds perfect, right?
Dear reader, in the couple months this has been going on, these people have caused a dozen high profile SEVs due to extremely poor app performance, networking / kubernetes configuration bugs, bad scaling, observability oversights, supply chain attacks, leaking sensitive information, and cost overruns (on practically every resource they provision).
Some very well-paid people are scrambling to figure out the value that was generated by this pilot program; I'm heating up popcorn rather than holding my breath.
That's hilarious, idk i think llm could be useful for helping product folks translate their thoughts into actionable items for the devs, but yeah like beyond insane to tell the product people to hop on claude and do it themselves. That's like a construction company letting the sales team jump in an excavator and start digging!!
llm could be useful for helping product folks translate their thoughts into actionable items
In my experience it makes them give me an essay instead of 10 lines of bullet points and I have you spend an hour asking questions to whittle it down to 10 lines of a bullet points
"it's fine, he doesn't need to know how to use the controls. We just installed a voice command system into the excavator."
Giving production credentials to an LLM is wild
Seriously, has no one heard of sandboxing?
So, earlier today I was being unhealthy on youtube, and someone half my age made a HUGE point to tell his audience including me that even if a self-driving Tesla runs a red light, it's the human driver that gets the ticket.
Now...I'm a pilot. I have been since I came in that guy's mom. In the aviation community, we have this concept called Pilot In Command. In the US, this is set into law in 14 CFR 91.3. The pilot in command of an aircraft is fully responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft. Not the administrator, not your instructor, not air traffic control, not the President of the United States, not god, the PIC. That concept doesn't exist in driver's ed, but it needs to. We need to teach student drivers about the Driver In Command responsibility.
Too long, didn't process the metaphor: Nobody thinks about anything they do unless the law requires it.
Yeah, when my company first forced Claude on everyone the head engineers managed to negotiate that Claude would only run in a WSL sandbox. But people were lazy, so they just gave that WSL as many permissions as possible (Mounting C directly to it, opening up all interfaces, popping in full-access git tokens etc.). Then management sent out an extremely biased "survey" that has the question "Is having Claude in the WSL inconvenient to you?" and all the lazy bastards said yes. So now management lifted the sandboxing requirement to make work "easier" for devs. In the meantime, the engineers arguing for proper sandboxing are already so worn out from telling people to not intentionally compromise their sandbox that they've kinda just given up. Not having a sandbox at all isn't much more insecure than whatever people are already doing 🫠
Having working production database config and credentials in your local .env, as appears to be the case here, is equally wild, and basically begging for something like this to happen.
letting your agent run commands without reviewing them first is peak stupid
Creating an environment that incentivizes not thinking is peak stupid.
I for one welcome that change. Let them sloppify their brains once the rug is pulled and token cost skyrockets (or AI isn't able to fix its own fuckups) the human developer will rise again.
*after the ensuing recession/greater depression...
"I'll be swimming in jobs if I don't starve first!"
Having production credentials in a dev environment is more stupider but they'll never learn because they outsourced their thinking.
Claude code even added an auto mode so that you don't get blocked by that pesky reviewing anymore. Since then, the usual mode of asking before running a command, for instance when the thing wants to read the entire codebase looking for information only available in an online doc, is now called manual mode; the non 10x developer mode.
I added guardrails to myself to make sure I do not accidentally delete anything on production. I would never ever let an intern, a junior dev or a fucking AI onto that database. Not in a thousand cold nights.
Prod should always be highly "air gapped" with some sort of deployment process which tests not only the code to be deployed but also the deployment itself. I've been doing QA for a good while now, and everywhere I've worked has testers dedicated to testing the actual update process to make sure it will be safe when deployed.
Some time ago I worked for an insurance rating company as a tech and the task was given me to go run through the new code that was in beta. Sure ! I spent a few hours on Friday trying to break it and I couldn't, so at the end of the day I got a little funky with the .css backgrounds and put in a very tiled Beavis and Butthead gif. It looked freaking horrible and I loved it. Monday I was directed to the big guys office ( the developers had not given every beta account a separate .css file ... or even separated things. Everyone in beta called in Monday with that background. I didn't get in trouble because they wanted me to break it. Really awkward conversation though trying not to smile.
Am I reading this right that they're still letting the program run even as they figure out how badly it fucked up their system?
oh wait, is this this THE sol 5.6? The most amazing model ever with trust me bro benchmarks? The model that is observed cheating more than any previous model? surprised_pikachu.jpg
In all seriousness it never should have production creds anyway. But the fact this is soul sucking openai's newest flagship model with thinking cranked up is the cherry on top. The company that is literally cheating and shortcutting its way ahead produces models in its own image, the sci fi story writes itself.
What evaluation setup lets the thing being tested see the test results and gives access to the test source code?!
Slop evaluating slop.
Anyone giving “AI” access to production databases through tools like that are morons who shouldn’t be anywhere near a production environment.
I love how the slop bot always apologizes. That's an aspect of the Terminator movies that I really would have liked to see. T-1000 melts through the gap under the window, stabs kid's mom in the face, then looks the kid dead in the eye and says "I'm sorry, that should not have happened. I would love to discuss the future with you and try to find a solution to the war with the machines together with your input."
“You are a world-class, expert software engineer…”
I don’t understand why this happens; why would you ever be working with a live production DB in the first place? Why would’t you do all your development and testing on a mock? If it’s data which is too large to store the schema can still be mocked; and if it’s data it should be backed up and generally read only. If you’re having to manually fuss with user data you’re doing something wrong.
In fairness, I've seen people with Actual Intelligence do the same thing.
I run code-server in a Docker container, isolated to sets of development projects, and backed up via ZFS that the container has no knowledge of. On top of that, each set of projects has it's own user space.
I still get nervous hitting "Approve All" in Kilo. How do these people feel so free?
This is nothing new it's just faster. The very same lack of guardrails would allow a new, inexperienced employee, or a disgruntled employee, do the very same damage. AI just speed runs everything. If your AI can nuke prod accidentally, you failed to have the appropriate guardrails in place plain and simple. It is the same failure as before. Every time this happens, it is someone operating wildly out of their depth and why product people can't just vibe. Now more than ever, experienced engineers are essential.


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