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[–] 143 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Bring back unsupervised third spaces that you don’t tell your parents about.

That’s where you build character.

And find porn.

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  • [–] 77 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    And burn things. And explode things.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    When I through that lighter at the wall of the empty foundation of a house that was never built in the woods behind my house and it exploded, I finally felt like myself for the first time

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Also hurt yourself and others

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  • [–] 46 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yes that is an important lesson.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    This, but unironically

    This is a boomer-ass take, but knowing how to deal with a situation where you or someone else gets hurt is a really important skill and reading about it can only get you so far

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  • [–] 28 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    It's not so much the getting hurt itself that needs to happen, but being put in situations where you could get hurt so that you learn to evaluate risk.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Getting hurt a little bit is very useful.

    I've forgotten about plenty of situations where things could've gone wrong but didn't but I can still vividly remember accidentally hitting myself in the dick with my bike handle.

    (Since I know someone will want to know: I misjudged my speed and the impact a wet wheel had on my braking power. When I noticed I was going too fast to take a corner I braked and the front brake locked the wheel immediately. Inertia did the rest.)

    That and a (thankfully merely scary) run-in with aquaplaning a few years later taught me to be wary of wet driving conditions, especially of braking in them.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago

    The very concept of unsupervised kids is so anathema to society today. Kids need spaces to just be kids.

    Summer camp - the overnight, week or two long kind, is a great middle ground. Yes, kids are "supervised". But... Mostly, just by bigger kids. Who are there, mostly to have fun too. Run, play, swim, learn about themselves and other people. My boys both spent every summer for 12+ years at camp. And they always grew, so, so much while they were there.

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    [–] 61 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I went to a Nerf tournament and humans vs. zombies game at a college campus a while back. The Nerf hobby has some interesting intersections. On the one hand, there are some legitimately competitive teams who drill and practice and have standardized uniforms and blasters and everything, so there's some organized sports types in there. On the other hand, it overlaps with the gun hobby, seeing as it's playing at being a gun fight, and it uses a lot of the same accessories. On the other other hand, it seems to be a very queer-friendly hobby; definitely a lot of flags being represented that weekend.

    All of these disparate groups had a great time with each other. Huge range of demographics, all having good wholesome fun, making new friends, using their bodies and their minds, expressing themselves while also respecting the rules and structures of the game and the college campus. It was beautiful.

    At the end of the weekend, the college Nerf club, which had been running these events on campus for years, came out and tearfully announced that this would be the last such event, because the college administration had announced there would be no further blaster events permitted on campus. Nobody got hurt that weekend, but presumably the administration was afraid of getting sued if someone did.

    And just like that, a beautiful mechanism for bringing together lots of strangers and making them into friends and comrades disappeared in a whiff of imaginary liability for a theoretical accident that hadn't actually happened.

    And we wonder why young people are addicted to social media and video games.

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    [–] 51 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    I would also really like to see a governmental permit office that distributes permit numbers on demand which can be used for age verification without revealing ANY information about the person verifying to ANY private entities.

    I want to see this in a bunch of countries.

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    [–] 36 points 1 month ago

    But where will I park my car and how will those places make money, that's America today

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  • [–] 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    One time when I was biking home from middle school the office got suspicious that I was biking instead of riding home in a car, and they had to keep me in the office and call my parents

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    [–] 28 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Like malls, parks, the skate park?

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    arcades, bowling alleys and skating rinks.

    coffee shops, record stores, hobby shops.

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    A first space refers to the place you live.

    A second space is where you spend most of your time that is not at home, like work or school.

    A third space is everything else. Shops, restaurants, parks, etc.

    The issue that young people are facing is that there isn't really anywhere they can exist that isnt at home or school. Communal spaces where young people are allowed to spend time, especially places where there isnt an expectation to spend money constantly have been eroding away over the past 30 years.

    It's not a coincidence why most pre-2000 teenager-focused media has the mall as a main setting

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Thanks for the explanation. Is a second space a space you're obligated to be, like work/school, or just anywhere you spend most of your time regardless?

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  • [–] 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Parks, libraries, community centers, free museums, beaches, etc.

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    [–] 19 points 1 month ago*

    This is a pet peeve of mine. Well, more than a peeve.

    When I grew up I spent significant time in youth centers, made social connections, formed my music taste and my first band. All away from my parents.

    These do not exist anymore around where I live. So where do kids hang out these days? In the mall. It's so fucked up, people glance at them as if they were shop mannequins. And they take the pose, with the chewing gum and the phone. That's no way to spend your free time.

    PS: an interesting variation was a Sleeping Space - some folks had formed an association and rented some space for people to hang out, literally: lots of cushions and mattresses, very quiet. It was amazing even though not many people actually slept there.

    PPS: free entry and not being asked to leave is what they all had in common.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Me and my mates just hung out in the basement of the one with the least responsible parents.

    Did all sorts of nasty shit like D&D, board games and binging movies.

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    [–] 15 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I work at a museum and our director has started using the term third space to justify a finacialization of our non-profit. Be mindful of how the term is being used by capitalists to extract more resources.

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    [–] 14 points 1 month ago

    It won't matter when technology is designed to steal your attention at all times. Corporations help cause this situation by selling products that addict everyone and they're getting damned good at it. How long did it take for social media and entertainment through phones to occupy everyone's day? People spend hours a day not their phones, time that was available for socializing even 15 years ago. You can bring 3rd places back it it's all competing with other attentions grabbers made by billion dollar industries.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago

    I don't want to fix anyone's social media addiction. I want to bitch about kids on social media and feel like a genius

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    Just, giving them a future to believe in might help too.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    What third space did we used to have as kids that we no longer have?

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

    Malls, Chuck-E-Cheese, walkable neighborhoods and main streets, a lot of diners and such have been shut down in the past half century. Cities have kind of restructured around increased industry and productivity.

    Parks are making a comeback, though, I hear.

    EDIT: OH, and LIBRARIES. For clear reasons conservatives the world over are trying tk dismantle public libraries.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    In my suburban high school social world, before cell phones:

    • Loitering around shopping malls
    • Showing up to the movie theater an hour or two before the movie we all agreed to watch together, and then an hour or two after.
    • Parks and playgrounds if the weather was ok
    • Cafes, diners, restaurants where lingering was tolerated, even for those who didn't order anything.
    • Local sporting events (usually high school or rec league teams).

    A lot of these still exist in some degree, but the loss of malls and movie theaters has really put a damper on things, and the rise of cell phones has deemphasized the need for in person interactions with peers (rather than following an influencer on social media).

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