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[–] 340 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Neat idea... but I don't think federal law is gonna stop the oligarchs under this administration.

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  • [–] 66 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I think the way it works now is they take it to court and get the judge to allow them to continue building while the court case works its way through the system and in 6 years when they determine it's illegal the center has already been built for 5.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago*

    Yeah, the ship of legalism has long since sailed. It is sad to see how so many in the US has apparently not realised this yet. It is not about laws or the constitution or anything like that. They now strictly do shit because noone is stopping them, regardless of what it is.

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  • [–] 168 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    RIP to the Endangered Species Act

    No chance the US government will forego money for their broligarchs because of environmental laws.

    But if you really want to overwhelm someone’s property with an unkillable native plant, I’d have to put Virginia creeper forward as a candidate.

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  • [–] 58 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    Get a few people. On one corner: bamboo. On another, kudzu. On a third, blackberries and mint. On a fourth, your creepers. Let the games begin.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Oh god, keep the bamboo and kudzu in their native environments. The ecosystem has been through enough!

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Eh, ecosystems adapt. Most "invasive" species made their way to new lands on their own. The problem is when humans consciously introduce a new species with a purpose, knowing that it dominates against something the idiot human doesn't like.

    There are only really a few big rules to keep things going. Don't get rid of the sole predator for a populous prey animal. Don't introduce prey animals to an environment that reproduce faster than they can be eaten. Don't plant clones, diversify genetics within a species(looking at you, orchards and tree farms).

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  • [–] 68 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    And you think these assholes won't just raze that stuff without a care in the world? Because they will. After that they'll be sued which will end with a small slap on the hand, combined with "oh you!" and that's it

    It'll relatively cost you more to buy that tree and plant it, than it'll cost them to just ignore all that

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago* (5 children)

    Except no - starting elderberry shrubs is relatively easy. Not like scattering the berries on the ground, but sticking cuttings a couple inches into damp or wet ground in late fall works very well, with very good odds that they'll be big enough to bear fruit in a year. It's also very cheap if you have access to an existing tree.

    Apparently you missed this in the research I'm sure you did before commenting on the cost, and strangely the people upvoting you seem to be making the same mistake. Probably AI's fault. (ooooh, he's defending AI - nope, just criticizing misinformation)

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    They are definitely going to either remove the Endangered Species Act entirely or just slowly keep dropping species from the list as and when it becomes convenient honestly

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I think the word "relatively" in the previous comment is doing some heavy lifting.

    If you are going to spend a few hours of your limited free time to plant the shrubs, even if the materials and transportation are free to you, compare that with the relative cost of a small environmental fine to a trillion dollar company building a billion dollar data center.

    The people at the top might not even realize anything happened, if anything even does happen.

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    [–] 49 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    That would only be a problem if there were still rule of law in the US. If that were the case, they wouldn't be able to run all those gas turbines either.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

    Except it's only native to the central valley in California so if you're anywhere else this is not going to have any effect.

    I guess this person just didn't look up its range or something? The species pictured there isn't even native to CA.

    Most endangered species have restricted ranges, which is part of what makes them endangered. So you'll have to do the work to find out what might be present in your local area.

    That said I did just hear they're trying to build one in Roseville, CA which IS in the range of this species so guerrilla gardeners, if you happen to be in Roseville, go nuts.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Just plant some American chestnut. Ignore why such a wide ranged tree is endangered

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago*

    For everyone who wants to know why it's endangered (like i did): Because of a fungus that originally grew on the japanese chestnut variant (starting in the early 1900s), to which the american chestnut has no resistance - it is estimated that in in first half of that century, three to four billion tree died to that fungus. In the original geographic range of the American chestnut, only 4 mature trees remain. There are still some root systems that sprout saplings, but they get killed off by the fungus quickly. There are some enclaves in other areas that still have a few hundred, like in northern Michigan

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    [–] 39 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Lmao they don't even care about humans. You think they'd care about beetles and berries??

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Do this under the current administration and you'll lose the endangered species act

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    [–] 31 points 1 month ago

    Watch them care, they'll just bulldoze right over these

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago

    I'm sure the pedo in charge, that's just ordered the removal of a deep-ocean observation system, is certainly going to baulk at the thought of removing some plants.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Then apartment owners will use this to plant them in areas where people are trying to build affordable housing.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    apartment owners

    people [...] trying to build affordable housing

    Unfortunately, these are often the same people. A developer will usually make a deal with a municipality that requires that x% of new units built must conform to "affordable housing" requirements. That's it. It's kind of a whole scam used so big developers can just develop MORE AND MORE.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago

    Haha maybe under a normal president, but this one hates regulation and safety. He LOVES money though.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    More than likely they do a survey to determine if the beetle is present. There is a whole thing about core and matrix habitat for species at risk, with matrix being less protected.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    I knew someone who briefly worked in this field and quit due to the corruption.

    One day he does find endangered shit. He tells his boss, "hey you know they have so and so on this land, actually you gotta call this one."

    The boss sighs and is like, "let me explain how this works. We can do this and call it out, but next time this guy has a big project, he's not contracting out to us. And the other guys will definitely let it slide. Either way, they're building, and we end up going out of business eventually. You might win this one time, but eventually it won't matter."

    I think at the end of the day, he quit and they built over it.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago

    The law means nothing when lobbies of big corps can change it to their like, paying politicans as their spokespersons.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago

    if today's strategies are anything to go by : nothing is illegal if youre in charge

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    I had no idea Sambucus was native to America. Elder flower is such a quintessential childhood flavour to me.

    Edit: So, growing up, my famliy worked at a elder farm for a few years. The name of elder always stuck in my head; Sambucus nigra.

    Per Wikipedia, Sambucus nigra, or black elder, is actually native to Europe.

    Sambucus can be found natively in large swathes of the world. It's just that the specific type mentioned in the post is native to North America.

    Makes me think of how American blueberries here in Sweden has more or less replaced our native blueberries (bilberry) in stores.

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    [–] 14 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Elderberry is also a wonderful edible medicinal plant. Their berries are delicious and immune boosting

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    [–] 13 points 1 month ago*

    Oops a completely accidental accident happened where a van full of pesticide accidentally crashed head on into the tree and exploded it. Accidentally. Oh well, I guess the build is back on at least.

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