The news was presented at the AAAS meeting in Phoenix, Arizona. Anna Fowler presented a synthesis of dozens of studies on near-death experiences and neuroelectrical activity around cardiac arrest. - https://particle.news/story/aaas-presentation-argues-consciousness-may-persist-minutes-to-hours-after-clinical-death

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[–] 84 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Consciousness barely lasts a couple seconds without bloodflow though. Clearly a clickbait title that is intentionally misleading.

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  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    I think the consciousness they're talking about here is the subjective sense of something happening - that it feels like something to be. The fact of experience itself. Unconsciousness in the medical sense doesn't necessarily mean the end of experience.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago

    This is a really difficult concept for some people in our modern society. Enlightenment style thinking would have you believe that human consciousness is a blanket term for salience, attention, awareness, sentience, social cognition, self-recognition, meta-cognition, etc. It’s as though you looked at a car and didn’t see its component parts or individual qualities, you just saw this weird new thing called Car.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I can tell you from experience, you are not aware of being unconscious. It goes from the moment before you lose it, to when you regain without any period between.

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    [–] 60 points 5 months ago

    EEG collapses completely after 30 sec of stopped blood flow. Consciousness will be probably gone in 10-15 seconds.

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  • [–] 47 points 5 months ago

    well, that certainly doesn’t send me into an existential nightmare /s

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  • [–] 45 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    A long time ago, my old therapist asked me what I thought would happen after I died. I told him I didn't know and was ok waiting to find out when it happened. He pressed me on it and I said "ok, either the big switch flips and that's it, or something soul-like survives, or the human mind dilates my final moments into an eternity because it cannot comprehend non-existence." And then he changed the subject.

    This reminds me of that.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    or the human mind dilates my final moments into an eternity because it cannot comprehend non-existence.

    Gawdamm I never thought of that possibility. You've broken my brain sir/ma'am. I'm going to be useless for the rest of the day contemplating this.

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    Sure, bring them back after they realize heaven and hell are bullshit.

    Electrical activity in dead brains is just chemical potentials that take a while to break down. No one, ever, has actually come back from actual death.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    @kalkulat@lemmy.world @science@lemmy.world

    This reminds me of the time I had general anesthesia during a surgery. I experienced this... phenomenon. One where I barely closed my eyes and, suddenly, I was laid down on another bed in another room, surgery was complete. There was no dreaming in-between, no hallucination, and even the "time gap" itself felt... non-existent. Just a literal, overwhelming but relaxing, almost cosmic, "nothingness". As if the general anesthesia were a Seek-Forward button which was pushed and my biological existence simply jumped an unknown amount of time into the future (it was roughly an hour, a simple surgery).

    See, the passage of time looks pretty much like a "fall" towards a singularity. All matter is moving towards a point into the "far future", some moving slower than others due to the gravitational and relativistic effects (e.g. time is slightly slower for us than it is for ISS astronauts, because we're closer to the Earth's gravitational well). There are scientific hypotheses about the "far future" having some kind of "singularity", such as the logical conclusion from the Black Hole Cosmology which states that this universe were actually a cosmically-big black hole due to how cosmological constants and measurements matched the ones expected for black holes. If this proceeds, matter would be literally falling towards a cosmic "abyss", towards singularity, and what we, as living beings, perceive as "death", would be just the subjective (almost "solipsistic") stretched perception of said singularity.

    At least, I myself like to think of my death as this. A spaghettified but imperceptible, fall towards the abyss, akin to that general anesthesia I once had, except that it wouldn't jump to wakefulness anymore; rather, it would become stuck in a perpetual state of "Seek-Forward", without a perceivable gap in-between. An eternal nothingness, essentially a return to the same "nothingness" I perceive from the time before I was born. And, well, it's scary, but it's also pretty comfortable if I really think about that, knowing that there'd be no more nociceptors triggering my central nervous system into feeling pain, knowing that there'd be no more emergent "me", just the primordial "nothingness" from the singularity we, as baryonic matter, exist in.

    I got some (dark, esoteric) beliefs alongside that (especially "Death Herself") but, given I'm in c/science, I'm trying my best to stick to the more (or, at least, as close as) scientific (as) aspects (could get) of what I think about the phenomenon of death, with "sentience" as an emergent byproduct of a dynamic system (think "dual pendulum experiment", but deeper and more intricate involving several interconnected biological systems) we refer to as biological organism, a self-rearranging structure, and "death" as the cessation of said emergence (as soon as the a significant part of this dynamic system grinds to a halt, therefore rendering it unable to self-rearrange).

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    [–] 19 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Considering low oxygen to the brain after 6 minutes results in brain damage occuring, would you really want to be brought back a vegetable?

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    Well that just gave me a new fear.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I don't even want consciousness while I'm ALIVE.

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    Edit: this was a joke, which was misinterpreted by the OP, out of respect I have removed it.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    Didn't they calculate that if you did jump into an open volcano, that you'd basically explode before you even touched down?

    Edit: I'm getting old and must be misremembering this. https://youtu.be/Q1blQRrM4TA

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    I've always wondered if your personal version of heaven or hell in the afterlife boils down to the deepest parts of your self and lingering consciousness tied to the neurochemical and electrical activity that happens after cardiac arrest.

    You know how our sense of time is so warped when we dream, and you can fall asleep for just a few minutes but from your perspective a dream can feel so much longer?

    I figure if there was ever the perfect time for your subconscious to come back and either bite you in the ass with guilt, shame, and regret for all the the things you've done that you never set right, or alternatively, maybe give you a sense of comfort if you feel you have made peace with your life on earth, it would probably be during this time.

    Think of it like being in an isolation tank. Maybe some fuzzy outside information still makes its way in to influence what's going on inside of the tank, but mostly it's just you and your thoughts for (what feels like) all eternity.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    This is actually a pretty well researched theory, mechanism is supposed to be pineal gland dumping DMT, lot of overlap between accounts of recreational users and survivors of near death experiences

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    We don't really know what consciousness is to begin with. Some philosophers even speculate that everything might have some kind of consciousness. In that case, your consciousness might go on forever, but you'd have no physical reality. No senses or anything.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    I assume the most basic scenario that we're just complex patterns of self referencing data (electrical activity), your conciousness can cease during anethstetic or some types of coma or rare cases of temporary brain death and start right up again no problem, if someone replicates a close enough copy of you then that's got an equal claim to your continuity as the you that wakes up in the morning, even if you're still alive both of the yous are you, the yous could even be merged again so long as no data is destroyed the new hybrid you would have a completely valid claim to both continuities that emerged following the intitial seperation.

    TLDR: You're no more special than a videogame save file and that's fantastic because it makes it really easy to be immortal or get resurected.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    it makes it really easy to be immortal or get resurected.

    Your consciousness, feelings, sensory input, and your entire character can be massively affected (even controlled) by the bacteria in your gut (which has its own separate nervous system), or by parasites.
    It's not as simple as measuring the electric signals between neurons in your brain.
    What you feel, think and do is often fully controlled by processes that happen elsewhere in your body. And your consciousness just comes up with a reason for your behavior after the fact.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The interesting thing about general anesthesia is that it's quite unlike dreaming. It's like you're just instantly teleported into another place and time without any sense of time having passed in between. You were effectively dead for a few hours from everyone else's perspective, but for you there was no gap at all. It's not like there's a blank section in the film - rather like someone entirely cut out that part and you just jumped instantly to the next act.

    I can't help but wonder if something similar happens when you actually die. By definition you cannot experience being dead, so what if your consciousness just jumps over the being-dead part and continues from whatever is next? Even if there's a million-year-long queue before you get to respawn, that would still happen instantly from your subjective experience. Perhaps death is only for your physical body, but your consciousness can only continue to have experiences wherever there are experiences to be had.

    I think this idea is called quantum immortality.

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