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[–] 85 points 6 months ago (22 children)

Ok but for real, that wouldn't work, right? How would them holding it complete the circuit? The circuit is just gonna be from one screw to the top of the pole back through another screw, not the part the person is holding.

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  • [–] 43 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    You can short the terminals on a car battery with your body with no issue (there's a theory that that's why you see it in movies so much - if anyone actually tries it the studio isn't giving them an idea that actually works. Same with duct-tape gags and chloroform), but it might melt the hardware and set the floor on fire which would be fun! What they should really do is connect a HV source and charge up the pole. Won't cause any lasting harm, but hopefully it'll convince them they drove a screw through a live wire.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Who the hell told you you can short a car battery with your body? You absolutely can’t.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    You definitely can. As in you can grab both terminals and not be injured.

    Source: am high level electrical engineer.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    That's not a short, by definition.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Isn't it? You're shorting the battery terminals by connecting them directly, it's just a shitty wire lol

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (14 children)

    Just checking: Is this a semantic argument about my use of "short"?

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The way you worded it makes it sound like it's very easy to short a battery with your body, not that attempting to short a battery will cause "no issue" because it won't actually work.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    I'm aware - I very intentionally spared everyone the lecture on the mechanics of how this works because it is, on the whole, very boring. However if we really wanted to get into the boring technical details nobody but us cares about then yes, you are indeed shorting the battery, it's just for a ludicrously small amount of current. Ohms law (I = V/R) gives us that.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Thing is, you also called it "shorting" the battery. Usually a short is an unintended, unsustainable low resistance path.

    While your body may technically close the circuit, calling it a short makes it sound like an actual electricution risk. That combined with the unclear "no issue" usage made it pretty confusing, I thought you had no idea what you were talking about until I saw your reply.

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I mean, a car battery isn't going to do anything even if you could complete a circuit. You can just grab the terminals on a car battery, 12V isn't high enough to be noticeable on dry skin.

    You'd want to solder on the hot lead of an extension cord hooked up to 120 if you wanted to make sure they never touch that pole again.

    Disclaimer: don't do this, it'll probably kill.

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    [–] 35 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Sure, if you want the battery to short out and start a fire.

    Cut the tips off then drill out the screws so they break off the next time they use it

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  • [–] 30 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    A car battery would do shit all. Dry skin potential point is like 65V.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I highly doubt the electricity would flow to the pole itself at all if you connect both contacts to the top

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago*

    The screws will melt and probably start a fire with the wood they are screwed into. The pole might get hot too from the current that goes through the fasteners but most of the heat would be in the screws and the fasteners and dissipate before it reaches the pole. Hardly any current will flow through the pole itself.

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    How thin would your floors and ceilings need to be for this to be real?

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago

    I got drill bits that can go pretty deep. The reason this shit doesn't happen to professionals like myself is that I am scared of electricity and power tools and have no clue what I'm doing and have people do it for me.

    SMH

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    My browser history now includes several Amazon listings for stripper poles.

    I have learned that:

    1. The listing ALWAYS calls them "dancing poles" but Amazon knows what you mean,

    2. About half of them are sold as "unisex" even though all of the photos of them in use show women,

    3. Only some require drilling into the ceiling. The few that do ship with screws or lag bolts that are approx. 2 inches in length and come with drywall anchors.

    So, if installing any of the poles from Amazon's first page of results, your floor would have to be approximately 1.5 inches thick.

    If the downstairs apartment had no ceiling treatment and you looked up at joists and subfloor, you might get here if she decided to attach between the ceiling joists. In a typical residential structure with a drywall ceiling, you'd need lag bolts some 10 or 12 inches long to reach through the plate of the pole, 3/4" of drywall, 8 or 10 inches of floor system depending, 3/4" of subfloor and 1/2" of flooring.

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Hammer and punch them back down. Or drip lube down the bolts so it makes the pole unusable.

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    [–] 13 points 6 months ago

    Make friends with the legends who live downstairs.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (12 children)

    Disagree. DC current will seek the path of least resistance, and will not go down the pole.

    I'm unsure if this is an apartment, but I would start by reaching out to the landlord and say your lights have been acting up whenever they are using it. Maybe say your electric bill has been higher, maybe stage that a little bit by simply leaving a light on for a month. Have them inspect the floor damage too.

    Once they leave, I would install cannibalize a power cable, plug it into the wall and hook the hot wire up to one of the screws.

    The benefit of using AC, is that it is less likely to take the path of least resistance and travels as waves back and forth, doesn't necessarily matter if they are grounded or not, they will feel it, likely marginally lower since it is also going into everything their 8ft pole is touching.

    ...I don't know why I'm on a villain arc this morning.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Small correction- AC power doesn't "travel in waves". It just oscillates up and down with respect to its reference, and same with its current with respect to its impedance. Just looks like a wave if you look at its position over time.

    With a completed circuit with low impedance, it would trip your breaker. With completed circuit with large enough impedance to not trip breaker, it might burn your apartment down in a number of ways. Could also kill neighbor if they are somehow making a return path, as current disrupts your nervous system where once they get caught in the shock they lose control of their muscles and are held in the current unable to let go, electrocuting them until death. If insulation is high enough to effectively be an open circuit, your neighbor on the pole wouldn't know it was electrified in the same way a bird sitting up on a power line doesn't have a clue its anything but a normal wire in the air. Largely depends on how the pole is installed and if its touching any metal or electrical wires where it is mounted on top, bottom, or both. Also if neighbor is ground level or if another apartment beneath them. A lot of variables create.a lot of possible outcomes.

    Would not recommend, lot of risks with little to no chance of any reward

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    [–] 10 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    A car battery would not do much. Let's try 40kHz AC?

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Did you mean kV? I don't know if 40kHz is high enough, but I know at some point it doesn't even shock anymore, just burns. Hence you can take a screwdriver in your hand, and get it close to high frequency Tesla coil / slayer exciter circuit (not that I know the difference) and have it flow through you no problem, just if you touch the spark directly it burns.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    Ah btw, if there's resistance while drilling a hole for a ceiling lamp, stop.
    Could be a heating pipe, with decades old heating sludge.

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    [–] 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    This is cute, but also in case anyone needs to learn something today:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstitial_space

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    That wiki says it’s common in hospitals and labs. Interstitial space is not the same as a floor cavity.

    Also

    The heights of these spaces are generally 6 to 8 feet (1.8 to 2.4 m) and allow easy access for repair or alteration

    So yeah not common in a residential building.

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    [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Running a sufficient amount of electricity through it may turn it into a heated rod.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Yeah my landlord wouldn't be too happy.

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