Glad to know privacy isn't budget friendly.
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That’s fantastic. Does this help with the issue of Google releasing AOSP security updates at a slower cadence? Maybe working directly with an OEM resolves this?
I don't really know how this works, but if they have the cooperation of an OEM they should have the same access to AOSP security updates the OEM has, and access to hardware drivers from a company that's not trying to thwart them. I can see how this would be preferable to a basically antagonistic relationship with Google, who are making things difficult because they want all Pixel phones to run their stock OS. The thing I wonder is what motivates the OEM to continue a cooperative relationship with Graphene OS.
That’s exactly my understanding/ thought process as well. I was wondering the same in terms of why an OEM would cooperate, and my first thought was the increase in hardware sales. I’m not sure how big the market is, but I know the security crowd will flock to them if they’re partnering with GOS when that market share would have previously been Googles. I’m not sure how big that market is or if the 'juice would be worth the squeeze'.
I wonder whether there's some shared development agreement too. Perhaps the OEM stands to gain some software improvements for its own non-Graphene devices, or perhaps Graphene OS will become its mainstream offering. There has to be more to it than picking up the small percentage of customers who shop for privacy.
They're extremely talented in the security/mobile/os arena, why not contribute to one of the Linux mobile projects and kill two birds?
Because people want to use apps, which unfortunately don't exist on the Linux mobile projects. Banking apps are the biggest issue in fact. Obviously for a lot of other things, anyone can create alternatives.
And the whole issue of not being able to use most modern hardware with mainline Linux kernel because the drivers are closed source binary blobs. You have to use a device-specific kernels.
Everyone out here guessing small OEMs for an official Graphene launch when it's obviously Apple.
Except that they mention Snapdragon, which Apple does not use.
They also mention “major Android OEM” Which does not apply to Apple.
tinfoil hat on It's obviously Apple funding this. They know most android users won't buy apples, they just want to weaken Google.
Could you imagine if apple created a Sub, where they made grapheneos iphones? Google would lose billions
I can only think of Motorola doing rhis and it would ROCK !
… but Apple doesn’t use snapdragon SoCs?
I know it almost certainly isnt, but please god let it be Fairphone.
I thought Google's plans to kill AOSP effectively put a nail in Graphene's coffin?
Google has made it harder (it may kill AOSP in the long run but not yet) by delaying public release of source trees later than before. To counter that, they partnered with OEM, who in turn are partnered with Google, who are likely to get sources faster.
I still don't how they (and F-Droid) plan to bypass the whole de al with Google killing non-PlayStore aproved© apps, tho. GrapheneOS relies on that as well.
That doesn't apply to grapheneos as they don't license gms
You can install apps freely with ADB so it will work that way or simply by removing google services, from what i understood(but i may be wrong) it's done by using google services so you need to uninstall them
Graphene doesn't rely on any Google Services. They compile the OS themselves and don't include those services.
If you want it, you have to choose to install them.
It does make sense it would be Nothing. I feel like the CEO reads the Youtube comments asking for GOS
Nothing isn't a "major OEM" but I think they'd be interested in it. Maybe they'll be next.
It's America, it's going to be Samsung.
My $$ was on moto as well - it's already about the closest thing to stock and they probably need the boost.
Whereas Samsung is fucking worlds apart for actual android
I've loved my Motorola's. They're seemingly the last manufacturer that realises that for a bunch of people (myself included) a good priced mid-range device is more than sufficient.
just recently (2 months ago), I bought a Moto G84 5G, specifically because it had a snapdragon processor (and therefore good custom ROM support), is officially supported by LineageOS and it was cheap (160 EUR). I never needed a flagship phone, the cheap phones ~200 EUR always worked fine for me.
I was using Xiaomi/Redmi/Poco devices before that, but it seems that they have gone entirely Mediatek in that price segment, which is a shame.
I hope so, I love samsung's hardware and having a secure OS option to get out from under their godawful UI / OS stuff would be amazing.
Samsung is the largest Android manufacturer by a wide margin, and make a bunch of their money using spyware. Seems unlikely they would give GOS the time of day.
While they're at it, can they talk their oem into adding a headphone jack? Literally the main reason I don't already do Pixel + Graphene. (And yes I know one of the supported Pixel phones does have one, but it also happens to be the exact model that I have personally seen do the black screen of death, so no thanks).
I have a pixel 8. I've wanted to degoogle myself for years. How risky is Graphene to install? Do I need to root it? Can I brick it? Are there things it does that Google doesn't? Apps that don't work for it?
If you use the web installer provided on GrapheneOS website, you can't fuck it up. Just make sure you use a chromium browser when you do it, for some reason it crashes on Firefox (but it didn't brick my phone, so don't worry)
No root needed, just follow the instructions on the website (read before doing it). You probably could brick it like anything else, but I didn't and I barely knew what I was doing (and like I said, it crashed on me when trying it via FF).
Neat things they do that Google doesn't (afaik):
- Auto turning Wifi and Bluetooth off if it's not connected (security and saves battery)
- Being able to deny wifi permission to an app just through regular settings (Stock androids need root to do that). Like, I use Gboard, but it had no wifi, so it can't send telemetry to Google.
Notable things that don't work:
- Some banking apps, really depends on luck. My debit card bank doesn't work, but my credit card bank does. Check this list to see if your banking app is tested. The reason is out of GOS hands, Google changed from SafetyNet to Play API or smth. If you can, just do web banking.
- RCS is finicky enough on stock devices, but GOS ramps it up to a new level. There's workarounds, but don't be surprised if it breaks a few months later. Highly recommend getting your friends/family to communicate with you through a different E2EE app, like Signal, XMPP/Jabber, etc. or else you'll be stuck with insecure SMS
- Some people have Android Auto issues? Idk, I've never used it
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Follow the instructions as they're presented and you'll be fine
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Installing it will make rooting easier, but afik root is not required (though you will be accessing the device at the recovery/bootloader level, something with far more control than root)
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Yes, pay attention, follow the instructions and you'll be fine though
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Respect your privacy, allow you to sandbox apps which want to spy
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Everything should work because of the sandbox function, the same cannot be said for most other custom ROMs unless the Google apps have been installed.
Can they please make it work for Samsungs? I made the mistake of getting an S23 and I didn't realize it was incompatible with all non-standard OSes.
Samsung phones blow e-fuses when you unlock their bootloaders, so there's no going back. I think this would prevent a proper GrapheneOS installation.
Perhaps Samsung could start shipping phones with GrapheneOS natively installed, but since the phone's owner would not have control of the OS, that would arguably not be GrapheneOS as we know it today. Or maybe Samsung could change their chain of trust implementation to be more like Google's, allowing the bootloader to be re-locked.
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