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Parental leave isn't a holiday or a 'year off' – so don't pit parents against workers | Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett (www.theguardian.com)
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[+] [S] -43 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I thought I would put my comment here to avoid ridiculous Guardian censorship which they call "moderation":

Actually this is a year off work so very much a "year off".

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Probably bcz you don't know what raising a tiny human entails.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If I take a sabbatical from my career and go work for a charity, I'm still taking a year off from my original job. What you do with the time is irrelevant to the language used.

    Should people get parental leave? ... absolutely. Is it "time off" from your job? ... Yes. Are they taking a holiday? ... No.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It might be a time off from employment but it's not time off. It's not a fucking holiday.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's a legal entitlement and it's work.

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  • [+] [S] -12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    How is it "work" sweetheart? 🙄

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Babies are work. They are constant, screaming, pooping, work. Not even 9-5 work, because a very young infant requires around-the-clock care, so really it’s worse than work.

    At least in a regular job you can punch out and leave work at the office and go home and relax, or call in sick if you don’t feel good. None of that with a baby. You have to always be there for them, all day, all night, no matter what, no matter how you feel.

    I think we’re also running into an issue of language, however. ‘Time Off’, as in, not being in the office for an extended period of time, yes, maternity leave is that. ‘Time Off’ as in, a rest, relaxation, vacation, no. Maternity leave is most definitely not that.

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  • [+] [S] -7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I looked after a baby. First two weeks were very difficult. After that you get used to the routine and I definitely wouldn't call that time "work" - it was a pleasure being able to spend time with my child. It was definitely a time off - I didn't have to go to work every day, I had time to get some more time for myself etc.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah, but you couldn’t just hall off to the Bahamas or whatever; you were still glued to the kid. Still looking after them 24/7.

    Yes, it becomes routine, but It’s still a routine, you still have a lot to do, and again, no call-outs, you’re on-call all day. It may not be a ‘job’, but it is still work.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    you couldn’t just hall off to the Bahamas or whatever

    You absolutely can, with a child.

    It may not be a ‘job’, but it is still work

    Nope. Of course you can define "work" as anything you do, including brushing your teeth and watching telly if you want - but looking after the baby is not something I would ever describe as "work".

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    American Heritage Dictionary; Work, definition:

    Physical or mental effort or activity directed toward the production or accomplishment of something. ”Cleaning the basement was a lot of work."

    Such effort or activity by which one makes a living; employment. ”looking for work."

    Again, kids are work. And since, as another lemming pointed out, some people do it as an actual job, it counts under both definitions.

    And if you do hie off to the Bahamas, you still have to bring that work along. You can’t just leave it behind and just have a relaxing vacation with nothing to do. (Unless you find a babysitter, but then you’re not doing the work of childcare anymore; now you’re using maternal leave for something that isn’t work).

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Again, kids are work

    Again, you are wrong.

    And if you do hie off to the Bahamas, you still have to bring that work along

    What work sweetheart, since you just took a year off work?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    All right, honey. What would you call the constant care an infant needs, if it isn’t work?

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