▲ 148 ▼ Parental leave isn't a holiday or a 'year off' – so don't pit parents against workers | Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett (www.theguardian.com) submitted 2 years ago by FelixCress@lemmy.world to c/uk_politics@feddit.uk 31 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -12 points 2 years ago (1 child) How is it "work" sweetheart? 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Babies are work. They are constant, screaming, pooping, work. Not even 9-5 work, because a very young infant requires around-the-clock care, so really it’s worse than work. At least in a regular job you can punch out and leave work at the office and go home and relax, or call in sick if you don’t feel good. None of that with a baby. You have to always be there for them, all day, all night, no matter what, no matter how you feel. I think we’re also running into an issue of language, however. ‘Time Off’, as in, not being in the office for an extended period of time, yes, maternity leave is that. ‘Time Off’ as in, a rest, relaxation, vacation, no. Maternity leave is most definitely not that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I looked after a baby. First two weeks were very difficult. After that you get used to the routine and I definitely wouldn't call that time "work" - it was a pleasure being able to spend time with my child. It was definitely a time off - I didn't have to go to work every day, I had time to get some more time for myself etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, but you couldn’t just hall off to the Bahamas or whatever; you were still glued to the kid. Still looking after them 24/7. Yes, it becomes routine, but It’s still a routine, you still have a lot to do, and again, no call-outs, you’re on-call all day. It may not be a ‘job’, but it is still work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) you couldn’t just hall off to the Bahamas or whatever You absolutely can, with a child. It may not be a ‘job’, but it is still work Nope. Of course you can define "work" as anything you do, including brushing your teeth and watching telly if you want - but looking after the baby is not something I would ever describe as "work". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Zip2@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) American Heritage Dictionary; Work, definition: Physical or mental effort or activity directed toward the production or accomplishment of something. ”Cleaning the basement was a lot of work." Such effort or activity by which one makes a living; employment. ”looking for work." Again, kids are work. And since, as another lemming pointed out, some people do it as an actual job, it counts under both definitions. And if you do hie off to the Bahamas, you still have to bring that work along. You can’t just leave it behind and just have a relaxing vacation with nothing to do. (Unless you find a babysitter, but then you’re not doing the work of childcare anymore; now you’re using maternal leave for something that isn’t work). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Again, kids are work Again, you are wrong. And if you do hie off to the Bahamas, you still have to bring that work along What work sweetheart, since you just took a year off work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) All right, honey. What would you call the constant care an infant needs, if it isn’t work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Infant care, silly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) And it is work, by, again, both definitions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 2 years ago No, silly. It is an infant care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Babies are work. They are constant, screaming, pooping, work. Not even 9-5 work, because a very young infant requires around-the-clock care, so really it’s worse than work. At least in a regular job you can punch out and leave work at the office and go home and relax, or call in sick if you don’t feel good. None of that with a baby. You have to always be there for them, all day, all night, no matter what, no matter how you feel. I think we’re also running into an issue of language, however. ‘Time Off’, as in, not being in the office for an extended period of time, yes, maternity leave is that. ‘Time Off’ as in, a rest, relaxation, vacation, no. Maternity leave is most definitely not that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I looked after a baby. First two weeks were very difficult. After that you get used to the routine and I definitely wouldn't call that time "work" - it was a pleasure being able to spend time with my child. It was definitely a time off - I didn't have to go to work every day, I had time to get some more time for myself etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, but you couldn’t just hall off to the Bahamas or whatever; you were still glued to the kid. Still looking after them 24/7. Yes, it becomes routine, but It’s still a routine, you still have a lot to do, and again, no call-outs, you’re on-call all day. It may not be a ‘job’, but it is still work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) you couldn’t just hall off to the Bahamas or whatever You absolutely can, with a child. It may not be a ‘job’, but it is still work Nope. Of course you can define "work" as anything you do, including brushing your teeth and watching telly if you want - but looking after the baby is not something I would ever describe as "work". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Zip2@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) American Heritage Dictionary; Work, definition: Physical or mental effort or activity directed toward the production or accomplishment of something. ”Cleaning the basement was a lot of work." Such effort or activity by which one makes a living; employment. ”looking for work." Again, kids are work. And since, as another lemming pointed out, some people do it as an actual job, it counts under both definitions. And if you do hie off to the Bahamas, you still have to bring that work along. You can’t just leave it behind and just have a relaxing vacation with nothing to do. (Unless you find a babysitter, but then you’re not doing the work of childcare anymore; now you’re using maternal leave for something that isn’t work). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Again, kids are work Again, you are wrong. And if you do hie off to the Bahamas, you still have to bring that work along What work sweetheart, since you just took a year off work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) All right, honey. What would you call the constant care an infant needs, if it isn’t work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Infant care, silly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) And it is work, by, again, both definitions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 2 years ago No, silly. It is an infant care. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) I looked after a baby. First two weeks were very difficult. After that you get used to the routine and I definitely wouldn't call that time "work" - it was a pleasure being able to spend time with my child. It was definitely a time off - I didn't have to go to work every day, I had time to get some more time for myself etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, but you couldn’t just hall off to the Bahamas or whatever; you were still glued to the kid. Still looking after them 24/7. Yes, it becomes routine, but It’s still a routine, you still have a lot to do, and again, no call-outs, you’re on-call all day. It may not be a ‘job’, but it is still work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) you couldn’t just hall off to the Bahamas or whatever You absolutely can, with a child. It may not be a ‘job’, but it is still work Nope. Of course you can define "work" as anything you do, including brushing your teeth and watching telly if you want - but looking after the baby is not something I would ever describe as "work". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Zip2@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) American Heritage Dictionary; Work, definition: Physical or mental effort or activity directed toward the production or accomplishment of something. ”Cleaning the basement was a lot of work." Such effort or activity by which one makes a living; employment. ”looking for work." Again, kids are work. And since, as another lemming pointed out, some people do it as an actual job, it counts under both definitions. And if you do hie off to the Bahamas, you still have to bring that work along. You can’t just leave it behind and just have a relaxing vacation with nothing to do. (Unless you find a babysitter, but then you’re not doing the work of childcare anymore; now you’re using maternal leave for something that isn’t work). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Again, kids are work Again, you are wrong. And if you do hie off to the Bahamas, you still have to bring that work along What work sweetheart, since you just took a year off work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) All right, honey. What would you call the constant care an infant needs, if it isn’t work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Infant care, silly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) And it is work, by, again, both definitions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 2 years ago No, silly. It is an infant care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, but you couldn’t just hall off to the Bahamas or whatever; you were still glued to the kid. Still looking after them 24/7. Yes, it becomes routine, but It’s still a routine, you still have a lot to do, and again, no call-outs, you’re on-call all day. It may not be a ‘job’, but it is still work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) you couldn’t just hall off to the Bahamas or whatever You absolutely can, with a child. It may not be a ‘job’, but it is still work Nope. Of course you can define "work" as anything you do, including brushing your teeth and watching telly if you want - but looking after the baby is not something I would ever describe as "work". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Zip2@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) American Heritage Dictionary; Work, definition: Physical or mental effort or activity directed toward the production or accomplishment of something. ”Cleaning the basement was a lot of work." Such effort or activity by which one makes a living; employment. ”looking for work." Again, kids are work. And since, as another lemming pointed out, some people do it as an actual job, it counts under both definitions. And if you do hie off to the Bahamas, you still have to bring that work along. You can’t just leave it behind and just have a relaxing vacation with nothing to do. (Unless you find a babysitter, but then you’re not doing the work of childcare anymore; now you’re using maternal leave for something that isn’t work). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Again, kids are work Again, you are wrong. And if you do hie off to the Bahamas, you still have to bring that work along What work sweetheart, since you just took a year off work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) All right, honey. What would you call the constant care an infant needs, if it isn’t work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Infant care, silly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) And it is work, by, again, both definitions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 2 years ago No, silly. It is an infant care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) you couldn’t just hall off to the Bahamas or whatever You absolutely can, with a child. It may not be a ‘job’, but it is still work Nope. Of course you can define "work" as anything you do, including brushing your teeth and watching telly if you want - but looking after the baby is not something I would ever describe as "work". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Zip2@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) American Heritage Dictionary; Work, definition: Physical or mental effort or activity directed toward the production or accomplishment of something. ”Cleaning the basement was a lot of work." Such effort or activity by which one makes a living; employment. ”looking for work." Again, kids are work. And since, as another lemming pointed out, some people do it as an actual job, it counts under both definitions. And if you do hie off to the Bahamas, you still have to bring that work along. You can’t just leave it behind and just have a relaxing vacation with nothing to do. (Unless you find a babysitter, but then you’re not doing the work of childcare anymore; now you’re using maternal leave for something that isn’t work). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Again, kids are work Again, you are wrong. And if you do hie off to the Bahamas, you still have to bring that work along What work sweetheart, since you just took a year off work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) All right, honey. What would you call the constant care an infant needs, if it isn’t work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Infant care, silly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) And it is work, by, again, both definitions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 2 years ago No, silly. It is an infant care. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Zip2@feddit.uk 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) American Heritage Dictionary; Work, definition: Physical or mental effort or activity directed toward the production or accomplishment of something. ”Cleaning the basement was a lot of work." Such effort or activity by which one makes a living; employment. ”looking for work." Again, kids are work. And since, as another lemming pointed out, some people do it as an actual job, it counts under both definitions. And if you do hie off to the Bahamas, you still have to bring that work along. You can’t just leave it behind and just have a relaxing vacation with nothing to do. (Unless you find a babysitter, but then you’re not doing the work of childcare anymore; now you’re using maternal leave for something that isn’t work). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Again, kids are work Again, you are wrong. And if you do hie off to the Bahamas, you still have to bring that work along What work sweetheart, since you just took a year off work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) All right, honey. What would you call the constant care an infant needs, if it isn’t work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Infant care, silly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) And it is work, by, again, both definitions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 2 years ago No, silly. It is an infant care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Again, kids are work Again, you are wrong. And if you do hie off to the Bahamas, you still have to bring that work along What work sweetheart, since you just took a year off work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) All right, honey. What would you call the constant care an infant needs, if it isn’t work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Infant care, silly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) And it is work, by, again, both definitions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 2 years ago No, silly. It is an infant care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) All right, honey. What would you call the constant care an infant needs, if it isn’t work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Infant care, silly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) And it is work, by, again, both definitions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 2 years ago No, silly. It is an infant care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Infant care, silly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seleni@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) And it is work, by, again, both definitions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 2 years ago No, silly. It is an infant care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) And it is work, by, again, both definitions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 2 years ago No, silly. It is an infant care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 2 years ago No, silly. It is an infant care. permalink fedilink source parent