▲ 5 ▼ ON TARGET: Does Canada Really Need The CF-35 Joint Strike Fighter? — espritdecorps (www.espritdecorps.ca) submitted 2 years ago by marathon@lemmy.ca to c/canada@lemmy.ca 11 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) tldr: why not just use drones. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FreeBooteR69@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago We need both fighters and drones. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Human self-importance. We think we're magic, despite the fact we aren't built for high g dogfights at all. Kind of the same reason us being space colonizers is a pipe dream at this stage in our civilization. We can get a dozen highly trained peak human specimens to grow potatoes on Mars as a symbol, and I'm all for that, but not regular people. One mistake everybody dead, one cabin fever victim in the right position everybody dead. We literally can't even care for the almost infinitely forgiving habitat we evolved out of that's perfectly suited to our biology, and all that would require is stop actively, recklessly fucking it up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ebc@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago Modern air combat isn't about dogfights anymore. A plane like the F-35 is an asset in the air because of its sensor suite way more than because of its ability to deploy ordnance. It'll let us patrol our massive airspace much more effectively than the 5-6 operational CF-18s we currently have. Yes, drones will be important, but for long-range combat they'll get used in conjunction with manned aircraft in the air. The F-35 is a formidable platform for that. Tomorrow's air combat will probably consist of squadrons of autonomous drones under the command of a manned aircraft flying with them in formation. permalink fedilink source parent [+] marathon@lemmy.ca [S] -7 points 2 years ago (2 children) tldr: why not just use drones. Exactly, as mentioned in the article, manned warplanes are mostly a thing of the past in modern war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago They said that when the Avro Arrow was scrapped. There's been at least 6 more fighter jets built since then! permalink fedilink source parent [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Remind me how far (high) a drone can be from a good radio repeater and still be controlled? Yeah. Thought so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] marathon@lemmy.ca [S] -1 points 2 years ago There are many types of drones, like missiles… <sheesh!> permalink fedilink source parent [–] Alteon@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Remind me how many G's can a human sustain for longer than 30 seconds? We're building planes that are capable of doing things that would kill their pilots on a regular basis. Our soft, squishy bodies are the biggest limit in terms of maneuverability of the aircraft at this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago A signal jammer and there goes your drones. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FreeBooteR69@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago We need both fighters and drones. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Human self-importance. We think we're magic, despite the fact we aren't built for high g dogfights at all. Kind of the same reason us being space colonizers is a pipe dream at this stage in our civilization. We can get a dozen highly trained peak human specimens to grow potatoes on Mars as a symbol, and I'm all for that, but not regular people. One mistake everybody dead, one cabin fever victim in the right position everybody dead. We literally can't even care for the almost infinitely forgiving habitat we evolved out of that's perfectly suited to our biology, and all that would require is stop actively, recklessly fucking it up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ebc@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago Modern air combat isn't about dogfights anymore. A plane like the F-35 is an asset in the air because of its sensor suite way more than because of its ability to deploy ordnance. It'll let us patrol our massive airspace much more effectively than the 5-6 operational CF-18s we currently have. Yes, drones will be important, but for long-range combat they'll get used in conjunction with manned aircraft in the air. The F-35 is a formidable platform for that. Tomorrow's air combat will probably consist of squadrons of autonomous drones under the command of a manned aircraft flying with them in formation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ebc@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago Modern air combat isn't about dogfights anymore. A plane like the F-35 is an asset in the air because of its sensor suite way more than because of its ability to deploy ordnance. It'll let us patrol our massive airspace much more effectively than the 5-6 operational CF-18s we currently have. Yes, drones will be important, but for long-range combat they'll get used in conjunction with manned aircraft in the air. The F-35 is a formidable platform for that. Tomorrow's air combat will probably consist of squadrons of autonomous drones under the command of a manned aircraft flying with them in formation. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] marathon@lemmy.ca [S] -7 points 2 years ago (2 children) tldr: why not just use drones. Exactly, as mentioned in the article, manned warplanes are mostly a thing of the past in modern war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago They said that when the Avro Arrow was scrapped. There's been at least 6 more fighter jets built since then! permalink fedilink source parent [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Remind me how far (high) a drone can be from a good radio repeater and still be controlled? Yeah. Thought so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] marathon@lemmy.ca [S] -1 points 2 years ago There are many types of drones, like missiles… <sheesh!> permalink fedilink source parent [–] Alteon@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Remind me how many G's can a human sustain for longer than 30 seconds? We're building planes that are capable of doing things that would kill their pilots on a regular basis. Our soft, squishy bodies are the biggest limit in terms of maneuverability of the aircraft at this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago A signal jammer and there goes your drones. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago They said that when the Avro Arrow was scrapped. There's been at least 6 more fighter jets built since then! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Remind me how far (high) a drone can be from a good radio repeater and still be controlled? Yeah. Thought so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] marathon@lemmy.ca [S] -1 points 2 years ago There are many types of drones, like missiles… <sheesh!> permalink fedilink source parent [–] Alteon@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Remind me how many G's can a human sustain for longer than 30 seconds? We're building planes that are capable of doing things that would kill their pilots on a regular basis. Our soft, squishy bodies are the biggest limit in terms of maneuverability of the aircraft at this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago A signal jammer and there goes your drones. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marathon@lemmy.ca [S] -1 points 2 years ago There are many types of drones, like missiles… <sheesh!> permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Alteon@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Remind me how many G's can a human sustain for longer than 30 seconds? We're building planes that are capable of doing things that would kill their pilots on a regular basis. Our soft, squishy bodies are the biggest limit in terms of maneuverability of the aircraft at this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago A signal jammer and there goes your drones. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago A signal jammer and there goes your drones. permalink fedilink source parent