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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 114 points 2 years ago (2 children) If you have to tell people you're an alpha, you're not. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 137 points 2 years ago (4 children) There are no human alphas. Without each other we're all weak ass bitches. Just look at the series "Alone". Even the most rugged outdoorsmen absolutely get fucked hard when they are alone. We're a social species. Our strength is our cooperation. Anyone who thinks he's above the rest kicking ass all alone is just a moron. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 121 points 2 years ago (3 children) There's no wolf alphas in nature neither. It's an old and debunked theory based on studying captive wolves. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-the-alpha-wolf-idea-a-myth/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 101 points 2 years ago (4 children) To be absolutely clear to anyone who hasn't read about this; it was debunked by the same guy who came up with it in the first place! The dude studied wolves in captivity, drew conclusions about their behaviour, then applied those studies to wolves in the wild and discovered that he'd got it all wrong. The behaviours that he observed in captive wolves were all stress responses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because he’s a good scientist. He followed the evidence, ran a different experiment to test his findings, and followed the evidence again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago Absolutely. He had the courage to question his own assumptions when they were challenged by new evidence. Everyone could stand to learn from him. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Agrivar@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) So, what I'm hearing is that there are human alpha males... but only in prisons. That checks out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 years ago No no you've got it backwards. Those are just stress responses. Human alphas do exist but you have to put them in the wild with a hungry pack of wolves. permalink fedilink source parent [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) To be fair, the alpha male thing in humanity is also a stress response. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago Well then I'm alpha as fuck. permalink fedilink source parent [–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Didn't he also put a bunch of adolescent wolves together for that? It was basically a lupine Lord of the Flies in there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tooclose104@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) I found this too be quite interesting: Toxoplasmosis and Wolves To me, this makes all the "I'm an alpha, like a wolf" bumble even funnier. Nah, you're just a cat person with poop on the brain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago That is an interesting article, thanks for sharing! permalink fedilink source parent [+] prole@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Not joining the whole alpha thing but where does alpha get described as lone? Meme Alphas are purported to be top dog but they still run with a pack permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago True. Though I’ll add, none of these people actually are leaders in their friend group or community. They think that being an aggressive ahole makes them a leader when real leadership tends to be about gently convincing people that they want to do what you want done or that they should do it anyways permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kalysta@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago What? Someone making sense about the social evolution of humans? Not on my internet! permalink fedilink source parent [+] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world -22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Stop your honking, Nancy. I know. I was calling people who claim to be alpha, "weak ass bitches." permalink fedilink source parent [+] Phegan@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago How beta. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 137 points 2 years ago (4 children) There are no human alphas. Without each other we're all weak ass bitches. Just look at the series "Alone". Even the most rugged outdoorsmen absolutely get fucked hard when they are alone. We're a social species. Our strength is our cooperation. Anyone who thinks he's above the rest kicking ass all alone is just a moron. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 121 points 2 years ago (3 children) There's no wolf alphas in nature neither. It's an old and debunked theory based on studying captive wolves. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-the-alpha-wolf-idea-a-myth/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 101 points 2 years ago (4 children) To be absolutely clear to anyone who hasn't read about this; it was debunked by the same guy who came up with it in the first place! The dude studied wolves in captivity, drew conclusions about their behaviour, then applied those studies to wolves in the wild and discovered that he'd got it all wrong. The behaviours that he observed in captive wolves were all stress responses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because he’s a good scientist. He followed the evidence, ran a different experiment to test his findings, and followed the evidence again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago Absolutely. He had the courage to question his own assumptions when they were challenged by new evidence. Everyone could stand to learn from him. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Agrivar@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) So, what I'm hearing is that there are human alpha males... but only in prisons. That checks out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 years ago No no you've got it backwards. Those are just stress responses. Human alphas do exist but you have to put them in the wild with a hungry pack of wolves. permalink fedilink source parent [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) To be fair, the alpha male thing in humanity is also a stress response. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago Well then I'm alpha as fuck. permalink fedilink source parent [–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Didn't he also put a bunch of adolescent wolves together for that? It was basically a lupine Lord of the Flies in there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tooclose104@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) I found this too be quite interesting: Toxoplasmosis and Wolves To me, this makes all the "I'm an alpha, like a wolf" bumble even funnier. Nah, you're just a cat person with poop on the brain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago That is an interesting article, thanks for sharing! permalink fedilink source parent [+] prole@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Not joining the whole alpha thing but where does alpha get described as lone? Meme Alphas are purported to be top dog but they still run with a pack permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago True. Though I’ll add, none of these people actually are leaders in their friend group or community. They think that being an aggressive ahole makes them a leader when real leadership tends to be about gently convincing people that they want to do what you want done or that they should do it anyways permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kalysta@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago What? Someone making sense about the social evolution of humans? Not on my internet! permalink fedilink source parent [+] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world -22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Stop your honking, Nancy. I know. I was calling people who claim to be alpha, "weak ass bitches." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 121 points 2 years ago (3 children) There's no wolf alphas in nature neither. It's an old and debunked theory based on studying captive wolves. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-the-alpha-wolf-idea-a-myth/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 101 points 2 years ago (4 children) To be absolutely clear to anyone who hasn't read about this; it was debunked by the same guy who came up with it in the first place! The dude studied wolves in captivity, drew conclusions about their behaviour, then applied those studies to wolves in the wild and discovered that he'd got it all wrong. The behaviours that he observed in captive wolves were all stress responses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because he’s a good scientist. He followed the evidence, ran a different experiment to test his findings, and followed the evidence again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago Absolutely. He had the courage to question his own assumptions when they were challenged by new evidence. Everyone could stand to learn from him. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Agrivar@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) So, what I'm hearing is that there are human alpha males... but only in prisons. That checks out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 years ago No no you've got it backwards. Those are just stress responses. Human alphas do exist but you have to put them in the wild with a hungry pack of wolves. permalink fedilink source parent [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) To be fair, the alpha male thing in humanity is also a stress response. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago Well then I'm alpha as fuck. permalink fedilink source parent [–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Didn't he also put a bunch of adolescent wolves together for that? It was basically a lupine Lord of the Flies in there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tooclose104@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) I found this too be quite interesting: Toxoplasmosis and Wolves To me, this makes all the "I'm an alpha, like a wolf" bumble even funnier. Nah, you're just a cat person with poop on the brain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago That is an interesting article, thanks for sharing! permalink fedilink source parent [+] prole@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 101 points 2 years ago (4 children) To be absolutely clear to anyone who hasn't read about this; it was debunked by the same guy who came up with it in the first place! The dude studied wolves in captivity, drew conclusions about their behaviour, then applied those studies to wolves in the wild and discovered that he'd got it all wrong. The behaviours that he observed in captive wolves were all stress responses. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because he’s a good scientist. He followed the evidence, ran a different experiment to test his findings, and followed the evidence again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago Absolutely. He had the courage to question his own assumptions when they were challenged by new evidence. Everyone could stand to learn from him. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Agrivar@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) So, what I'm hearing is that there are human alpha males... but only in prisons. That checks out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 years ago No no you've got it backwards. Those are just stress responses. Human alphas do exist but you have to put them in the wild with a hungry pack of wolves. permalink fedilink source parent [–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) To be fair, the alpha male thing in humanity is also a stress response. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago Well then I'm alpha as fuck. permalink fedilink source parent [–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Didn't he also put a bunch of adolescent wolves together for that? It was basically a lupine Lord of the Flies in there. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because he’s a good scientist. He followed the evidence, ran a different experiment to test his findings, and followed the evidence again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago Absolutely. He had the courage to question his own assumptions when they were challenged by new evidence. Everyone could stand to learn from him. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago Absolutely. He had the courage to question his own assumptions when they were challenged by new evidence. Everyone could stand to learn from him. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Agrivar@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) So, what I'm hearing is that there are human alpha males... but only in prisons. That checks out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 years ago No no you've got it backwards. Those are just stress responses. Human alphas do exist but you have to put them in the wild with a hungry pack of wolves. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 years ago No no you've got it backwards. Those are just stress responses. Human alphas do exist but you have to put them in the wild with a hungry pack of wolves. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) To be fair, the alpha male thing in humanity is also a stress response. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago Well then I'm alpha as fuck. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago Well then I'm alpha as fuck. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Didn't he also put a bunch of adolescent wolves together for that? It was basically a lupine Lord of the Flies in there. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tooclose104@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) I found this too be quite interesting: Toxoplasmosis and Wolves To me, this makes all the "I'm an alpha, like a wolf" bumble even funnier. Nah, you're just a cat person with poop on the brain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago That is an interesting article, thanks for sharing! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago That is an interesting article, thanks for sharing! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Not joining the whole alpha thing but where does alpha get described as lone? Meme Alphas are purported to be top dog but they still run with a pack permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago True. Though I’ll add, none of these people actually are leaders in their friend group or community. They think that being an aggressive ahole makes them a leader when real leadership tends to be about gently convincing people that they want to do what you want done or that they should do it anyways permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago True. Though I’ll add, none of these people actually are leaders in their friend group or community. They think that being an aggressive ahole makes them a leader when real leadership tends to be about gently convincing people that they want to do what you want done or that they should do it anyways permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kalysta@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago What? Someone making sense about the social evolution of humans? Not on my internet! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world -22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Stop your honking, Nancy. I know. I was calling people who claim to be alpha, "weak ass bitches." permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Phegan@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago How beta. permalink fedilink source parent