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South Africa’s legal effort to declare Israel’s actions ‘genocidal in character’ poses dilemma for Canada (www.theglobeandmail.com)
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“I don’t believe the Canadian government even studies the validity of legal applications like this to the ICJ or the moral imperatives of holding perpetrators of international crimes to account,” he said. “It will immediately position itself to protect Israel from scrutiny under international law, and then find some legal arguments that fit the bill.”

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[–] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Plenty of criticism can be tossed deservedly Israel's way, however i think South Africa's motivation may be less to do with humanitarian reasons and more to do with it's ally Russia.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    Lol, this guy here just wrote off South African history of struggle against apartheid and of Palestinian solidarity as "allies with Russia". Mandela, Tutu and others have spoken out on the Palestinian issue. Israel was one of the only countries cozying up to the apartheid regime and used those ties to develop its nuclear arsenal. The lawyers involved in drafting the ICJ submission are summits of anti-apartheid litigation. Israel has a long history of making Putin-like statements denying the existence of a Palestinian people. And yet, here we are FrooBooteR69 made the call: "SA is grandstanding to score points with Putin". I mean, roflmao, dude.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Maybe. I like to think it comes from their knowing their past and wanting to carry on the legacy of one of the greatest ever humans, Nelson Mandela, that came from that past. In any event, South Africa is doing more than most countries to address the humanitarian crisis in Gaza/Palestine. Good on them, I say

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yeah South African here, no the government, the ANC (Nelson Mandela's party) have long lost their moral standing internationally. They have a strong relationship with Russia due to their communist ideals. They lost there moral standing in failing to arrest Bashar Al Assad when he visited South Africa, this is after an arrest warrant by the International Criminal Court(ICC) was issued and they full on knew they had a duty (even our highest court found afterwards they failed their duty), even though Nelson Mandela signed the to be part of the ICC. The ANC has tried and did apply to leave the ICC but backtracked on it, it came up again when Putin wanted to come visit South Africa for the BRICS summit, when they again complained about the ICC and it's arrest warrants (Putin did not attend). No ANC has stayed quiet in wars like the Ukraine for example (look how the voted in the UN if you want to), saying the do not want to get involved.... They have become morally bankrupt and are not the ANC of Nelson Mandela anymore and have lost any right now to criticise any war. They are only doing it due to Israel's relationship with the USA and the big bad "West". This is cheap shots they are taking.

    But I do believe there needs to be pressure on the Isreal government to de-escalate the response, we understand they have a right to defend themselves, but the current response is like using a hammer to remove a brain tumor

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They have a strong relationship with Russia due to their communist ideals

    What on earth is communist about Russia?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Exactly, but the ANC referers to each member still as comrade, they share power with the South African Communist Party. Last year South Africa held Naval games with the Chinese and Russians, where the Russians tested their then not used hypersonic missiles. Lady R boat was another controversy where the sanctioned ship secretly docked a naval base here and loaded and offloaded mysterious contents, which the then diplomat for the US here said he bets his life this was to exchange weapons and bypass sanctions. Government quickly sealed the investigating and findings afterwards.

    Fuck ANC and their wish for the reunion of the USSR, embrace of communism and the toppling of the Western world.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    This thing you're doing, calling the ANC communists, that's an apartheid era white Afrikaner thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Yeah maybe, but please enlighten me then what their current leaning is towards, state controlled monopoly or free market.

    I also do not see any critical take on any of the points I am mentioning, just boiling my point to an apartheid white Afrikaner thing. 32 years since the end of apartheid and 30 since the first democratic elections (ANC has been in government since) and all failings of the current government they still blame on apartheid, not the state capture and infrastructure they let go to ruin through kickbacks and corruption. Fuck look at our Energy, we have daily blackouts called loadshedding, been that way since 2007. Government has known about it since the 1998 white paper detailing the looming energy shortage. They sat on their hands and blocked any private company to build or create a powerplant because government should be the only one controlling power (state owned monopoly). When they built the two biggest coal fired power stations in the world, both have never been fully functional due to the corruption where the ANC party's Chancellor House (their parties private investment vehicle) along with Hitachi lead to cutting corners and stealing the difference. Heck the project ballooned in cost and Eskoms dept is like a chain around this country's fiscal neck. Only a bit more than 2 years ago did government allow permits for the private market to enter the electricity generation market with severe limits like the 100MW generation (luckily a year ago they removed this limit).

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