Well, they did change the name. That's a pretty big signal.

But honestly, this whole culture of avoiding anything some enemy group has coopted just gives that group legitimacy. Every time we bend over backwards to avoid Nazi stuff gives the Nazis more publicity, and as they say, there's no such thing as bad publicity. So merely calling this out helps Nazis.

I really don't get how that's not obvious. If we keep calling everything "Nazi stuff," we'll keep talking about Nazis, and then someone will get curious, think the public is being "unfair" and sympathize with the Nazis. We're doing their job for them...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_symbols_designated_by_the_Anti-Defamation_League_as_hate_symbols

ACAB - All Cops Are Bastards

Interesting start to that list

they thrive on your ignorance

No, they thrive on your fear and outrage. As they say, there's no such thing as bad publicity. If they manage to tick you off, people who like watching you get angry will be attracted to their side.

cancel culture doesn't exist

Really? I can point to several examples where someone's career was ruined just because they were "cancelled" ([here are three CBS reported on] (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cancel-culture-changed-lives-forever-cbsn-originals/)).

Usually what happens is this:

1. Person says or does something to offend some group (often by accident)
2. Said group demands an apology
3. Person apologizes
4. No company wants to associate with the person for fear of backlash
5. The person is either fired or loses all followers

The best strategy, apparently, is to not apologize. That ticks off the group, but it also generally reduces how much publicity the event gets, which means there's a decent chance for it to blow over. In some cases, this leads to weird extremist subgroups because the person attracts the wrong sorts, and in others the person is able to change their behavior so that group comes back after forgetting about the incident.

It's incredibly stupid that apparently apologizing is punished, but that's how it seems to work out. Those who have been targeted that don't apologize tend to not be as impacted.

That said, I'll look through those links. I'm always interested to identify bigots so I can avoid them.

Really? Is it a relatively recent thing? My last US/European history class was over 15 years ago, so if it came up anytime I'm the last two decades, i wouldn't have learned about it.

From some cursory research, it started being a thing at least as of the early 2000s, and that's about when i went to high school. So it could very well have not been popular enough yet to cover in school.

Regardless, it's not something I've come across. I wonder if the devs here are the same way.

So... because people do bad stuff we shouldn't tell them to fuck off for doing bad stuff?

And one of the best ways to prevent people from being in fluenced? Ostracize the bastards. Basically from WW2 up until the late 90s, Nazis were the designated bad guy. Neonazis were the bad guys in the Very Special Episodes of boy meets world and the like. And that made it clear "Nazis are bad. Don't be a fucking Nazi"

But between South Park normalizing "its funny to make fun of the Jews" and the strong push back against having the designated stabbing bags? It reached the point that people lost their god damned mind over the devs at Machine Games saying "fuck Nazis" at the Keighleys a few years back.

And that leads to stupidity where people no longer view them as subhuman to the point of only being worthy of scorn.

So yeah. I am gonna keep telling Nazis to go fuck themselves with strong implications that the world would be a better place if they weren't in it. And I am going to stop responding to you until you explain why you are so adamant about protecting them from ridicule and scorn... even though it is increasingly clear why.