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Shout out to my engineering homies. (mander.xyz)
submitted 8 months ago by to c/science_memes@mander.xyz
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[–] 38 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If you're working for a western arms manufacturer you can be pretty certain your products will end up in Israel too.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    i haven't heard that they buy from Ukrainians

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    How many Eurofighters does Israel operate?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Why would that matter? You think it's alright to work for a company supplying the Palestinian genocide as long as you're not working on that specific product line? British aerospace is pretty directly involved there so I'd set my standards a little higher personally.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    You could've just said "yes, I think that's where the ethical line is", instead of linking logical fallacies wikipedia like a fourteen year old atheist.

    We haven't moved anywhere. We were at "working for companies profiting from genocide is wrong" and we've stayed right there.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    You could’ve just said “yes, I think that’s where the ethical line is”, instead of linking logical fallacies wikipedia like a fourteen year old atheist.

    Except what I'm pointing out is not where I think the ethical line is, I'm pointing out that you're arguing in blatant bad faith because you know your actual position isn't defensible.

    We haven’t moved anywhere.

    This you?

    If you’re working for a western arms manufacturer you can be pretty certain your products will end up in Israel too.

    Sorry that you can't remember what you said a whole comment ago.

    We were at “working for companies profiting from genocide is wrong” and we’ve started right there.

    So what you mean is "If you're working for a major Western company, period, you're in the wrong." Since the list of Western companies that don't do business with Israel is very small.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    This you?

    If you’re working for a western arms manufacturer you can be pretty certain your products will end up in Israel too.

    Yes, that's me. Maybe the bit you're missing is that if you work at a company, the company's products are your products.

    So what you mean is "If you're working for a major Western company, period, you're in the wrong." Since the list of Western companies that don't do business with Israel is very small.

    No, that's not what I mean, and I'd appreciate you not putting words in my mouth. There is a material difference between providing Israel with military equipment and with some random consumer product that is just distributed everywhere. Sure, I'd argue it's still wrong to do the latter, but it's still a huge difference.

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    Yes, that’s me. Maybe the bit you’re missing is that if you work at a company, the company’s products are your products.

    I'll be sure to tell the janitor.

    It's like you don't even understand the core moral dilemma of being an engineer working for a military supplier.

    No, that’s not what I mean, and I’d appreciate you not putting words in my mouth.

    So this isn't you?

    We were at “working for companies profiting from genocide is wrong” and we’ve started right there.

    Or is this not actually where we are or were at, and this line is complete disingenuous bullshit?

    There is a material difference between providing Israel with military equipment and with some random consumer product that is just distributed everywhere. Sure, I’d argue it’s still wrong to do the latter, but it’s still a huge difference.

    Ah, of course, if you're enabling the genocide through non-military means, it's okay. I mean, it's not like supplying Israel with goods frees up more of Israel's resources for military production and action.

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