▲ 161 ▼ Jagmeet Singh resigning as NDP leader after losing his seat, his party routed (nationalpost.com) submitted 1 year ago by BrikoX@lemmy.zip to c/canada@lemmy.ca 73 comments fedilink hide all child comments NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh suffered a resounding defeat on election night, losing his own seat, his party reduced to a single-digit seat count.
[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip [S] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children) Finally. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 69 points 1 year ago (3 children) I feel sad for the guy because he really did care and worked hard. He was a good dude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip [S] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children) He had his time and he did delivered some good things, but it's defintely time for new ideas and more charismatic leaders. He was the most unpopular leader in this election cycle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] small44@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago trump had branding before he became president, so that pretty much helped him. permalink fedilink source parent [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) Jagmeet was plenty charismatic; and earnest, too. But while I worried about his focus, really he bounced off a glass ceiling; and then found slagging an ally in campaign ads was detrimental to both. (and let's talk about how uncharacteristic THAT was) But he presented well as someone with decent motivations, and his causes were generally on the side of regular Canadians, as you'd expect from the oranges. He had his best party and just misstepped while puppet-mastering Justin. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago 100% glass ceiling. He gained quite a bit of popularity in 2021 because of how charismatic he is. I think a lot of people aren't willing to admit it, but Canada just isn't ready for a PM that looks like him (or rather, that doesn't look like previous PMs). permalink fedilink source parent [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) That’s not enough in politics, sadly. Politics is war by other means. It’s every bit as complex and strategic, it’s just not as obvious. The NDP has been lost in the wilderness as a party for a long time. They’ve spent far too much energy and credibility complaining about vote-splitting and electoral reform. They haven’t done the serious work to present themselves as a credible alternative to the Liberals, the way Jack Layton did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago I can't wait to see who's going to be their next leader. permalink fedilink source parent [+] rabber@lemmy.ca -8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah but he destroyed the NDP party permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) How so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rabber@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 year ago (1 child) You saw election results permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) That doesn't explain your opinion at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rabber@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's clear he hasn't resonated with voters since the start and he kept going until the party lost party status permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ok that's more like it. And I agree with you. He was a nice guy, but we needed someone more feisty, more aggressive, at the head of the NDP. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rabber@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) As an NDP supporter I'm actually incredibly angry that he didn't step down ages ago and let someone else take the reins. Imagine if Charlie Angus was in charge. Now we have no party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago 💯 permalink fedilink source parent [–] cybirdman@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago (4 children) While I agree that change is necessary, I feel like NDP as a whole needs to change strategy. It's like every single promise they make is about throwing shade on another party, or saying they will fix something liberals did, but rarely any actual constructive or original ideas. They need to come up with their own identity instead of basing it on the opposite of another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] jerkface@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago rarely any actual constructive or original ideas My mom's getting some dental work, thanks to his original idea. They need to come up with their own identity They HAVE an identity: small-biz heroes, middle-class champions, lift-all-boats tide. This has been their identity for decades. instead of basing it on the opposite of another. You confusing the orange with the blue? permalink fedilink source parent [–] jloewen@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago I mostly agree with agenda of the NDP and also with Singh but I also noticed that he started bashing the liberals more than usual in the last couple of month. I live in Manitoba and hear often official ads from the Conservative party in radio about things they blame on Trudeau. In my opinion this needs to stop, this is not professional. permalink fedilink source parent [+] small44@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 69 points 1 year ago (3 children) I feel sad for the guy because he really did care and worked hard. He was a good dude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip [S] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children) He had his time and he did delivered some good things, but it's defintely time for new ideas and more charismatic leaders. He was the most unpopular leader in this election cycle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] small44@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago trump had branding before he became president, so that pretty much helped him. permalink fedilink source parent [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) Jagmeet was plenty charismatic; and earnest, too. But while I worried about his focus, really he bounced off a glass ceiling; and then found slagging an ally in campaign ads was detrimental to both. (and let's talk about how uncharacteristic THAT was) But he presented well as someone with decent motivations, and his causes were generally on the side of regular Canadians, as you'd expect from the oranges. He had his best party and just misstepped while puppet-mastering Justin. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago 100% glass ceiling. He gained quite a bit of popularity in 2021 because of how charismatic he is. I think a lot of people aren't willing to admit it, but Canada just isn't ready for a PM that looks like him (or rather, that doesn't look like previous PMs). permalink fedilink source parent [–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) That’s not enough in politics, sadly. Politics is war by other means. It’s every bit as complex and strategic, it’s just not as obvious. The NDP has been lost in the wilderness as a party for a long time. They’ve spent far too much energy and credibility complaining about vote-splitting and electoral reform. They haven’t done the serious work to present themselves as a credible alternative to the Liberals, the way Jack Layton did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago I can't wait to see who's going to be their next leader. permalink fedilink source parent [+] rabber@lemmy.ca -8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah but he destroyed the NDP party permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) How so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rabber@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 year ago (1 child) You saw election results permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) That doesn't explain your opinion at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rabber@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's clear he hasn't resonated with voters since the start and he kept going until the party lost party status permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ok that's more like it. And I agree with you. He was a nice guy, but we needed someone more feisty, more aggressive, at the head of the NDP. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rabber@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) As an NDP supporter I'm actually incredibly angry that he didn't step down ages ago and let someone else take the reins. Imagine if Charlie Angus was in charge. Now we have no party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago 💯 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip [S] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children) He had his time and he did delivered some good things, but it's defintely time for new ideas and more charismatic leaders. He was the most unpopular leader in this election cycle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] small44@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago trump had branding before he became president, so that pretty much helped him. permalink fedilink source parent [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) Jagmeet was plenty charismatic; and earnest, too. But while I worried about his focus, really he bounced off a glass ceiling; and then found slagging an ally in campaign ads was detrimental to both. (and let's talk about how uncharacteristic THAT was) But he presented well as someone with decent motivations, and his causes were generally on the side of regular Canadians, as you'd expect from the oranges. He had his best party and just misstepped while puppet-mastering Justin. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago 100% glass ceiling. He gained quite a bit of popularity in 2021 because of how charismatic he is. I think a lot of people aren't willing to admit it, but Canada just isn't ready for a PM that looks like him (or rather, that doesn't look like previous PMs). permalink fedilink source parent
[+] small44@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago trump had branding before he became president, so that pretty much helped him. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago trump had branding before he became president, so that pretty much helped him. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) Jagmeet was plenty charismatic; and earnest, too. But while I worried about his focus, really he bounced off a glass ceiling; and then found slagging an ally in campaign ads was detrimental to both. (and let's talk about how uncharacteristic THAT was) But he presented well as someone with decent motivations, and his causes were generally on the side of regular Canadians, as you'd expect from the oranges. He had his best party and just misstepped while puppet-mastering Justin. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago 100% glass ceiling. He gained quite a bit of popularity in 2021 because of how charismatic he is. I think a lot of people aren't willing to admit it, but Canada just isn't ready for a PM that looks like him (or rather, that doesn't look like previous PMs). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago 100% glass ceiling. He gained quite a bit of popularity in 2021 because of how charismatic he is. I think a lot of people aren't willing to admit it, but Canada just isn't ready for a PM that looks like him (or rather, that doesn't look like previous PMs). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) That’s not enough in politics, sadly. Politics is war by other means. It’s every bit as complex and strategic, it’s just not as obvious. The NDP has been lost in the wilderness as a party for a long time. They’ve spent far too much energy and credibility complaining about vote-splitting and electoral reform. They haven’t done the serious work to present themselves as a credible alternative to the Liberals, the way Jack Layton did. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago I can't wait to see who's going to be their next leader. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago I can't wait to see who's going to be their next leader. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] rabber@lemmy.ca -8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah but he destroyed the NDP party permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) How so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rabber@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 year ago (1 child) You saw election results permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) That doesn't explain your opinion at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rabber@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's clear he hasn't resonated with voters since the start and he kept going until the party lost party status permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ok that's more like it. And I agree with you. He was a nice guy, but we needed someone more feisty, more aggressive, at the head of the NDP. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rabber@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) As an NDP supporter I'm actually incredibly angry that he didn't step down ages ago and let someone else take the reins. Imagine if Charlie Angus was in charge. Now we have no party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago 💯 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) How so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rabber@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 year ago (1 child) You saw election results permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) That doesn't explain your opinion at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rabber@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's clear he hasn't resonated with voters since the start and he kept going until the party lost party status permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ok that's more like it. And I agree with you. He was a nice guy, but we needed someone more feisty, more aggressive, at the head of the NDP. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rabber@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) As an NDP supporter I'm actually incredibly angry that he didn't step down ages ago and let someone else take the reins. Imagine if Charlie Angus was in charge. Now we have no party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago 💯 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rabber@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 year ago (1 child) You saw election results permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) That doesn't explain your opinion at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rabber@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's clear he hasn't resonated with voters since the start and he kept going until the party lost party status permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ok that's more like it. And I agree with you. He was a nice guy, but we needed someone more feisty, more aggressive, at the head of the NDP. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rabber@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) As an NDP supporter I'm actually incredibly angry that he didn't step down ages ago and let someone else take the reins. Imagine if Charlie Angus was in charge. Now we have no party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago 💯 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) That doesn't explain your opinion at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rabber@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's clear he hasn't resonated with voters since the start and he kept going until the party lost party status permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ok that's more like it. And I agree with you. He was a nice guy, but we needed someone more feisty, more aggressive, at the head of the NDP. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rabber@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) As an NDP supporter I'm actually incredibly angry that he didn't step down ages ago and let someone else take the reins. Imagine if Charlie Angus was in charge. Now we have no party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago 💯 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rabber@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago (1 child) It's clear he hasn't resonated with voters since the start and he kept going until the party lost party status permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ok that's more like it. And I agree with you. He was a nice guy, but we needed someone more feisty, more aggressive, at the head of the NDP. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rabber@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) As an NDP supporter I'm actually incredibly angry that he didn't step down ages ago and let someone else take the reins. Imagine if Charlie Angus was in charge. Now we have no party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago 💯 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Ok that's more like it. And I agree with you. He was a nice guy, but we needed someone more feisty, more aggressive, at the head of the NDP. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rabber@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) As an NDP supporter I'm actually incredibly angry that he didn't step down ages ago and let someone else take the reins. Imagine if Charlie Angus was in charge. Now we have no party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago 💯 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) As an NDP supporter I'm actually incredibly angry that he didn't step down ages ago and let someone else take the reins. Imagine if Charlie Angus was in charge. Now we have no party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 year ago 💯 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cybirdman@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago (4 children) While I agree that change is necessary, I feel like NDP as a whole needs to change strategy. It's like every single promise they make is about throwing shade on another party, or saying they will fix something liberals did, but rarely any actual constructive or original ideas. They need to come up with their own identity instead of basing it on the opposite of another. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] jerkface@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago rarely any actual constructive or original ideas My mom's getting some dental work, thanks to his original idea. They need to come up with their own identity They HAVE an identity: small-biz heroes, middle-class champions, lift-all-boats tide. This has been their identity for decades. instead of basing it on the opposite of another. You confusing the orange with the blue? permalink fedilink source parent [–] jloewen@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago I mostly agree with agenda of the NDP and also with Singh but I also noticed that he started bashing the liberals more than usual in the last couple of month. I live in Manitoba and hear often official ads from the Conservative party in radio about things they blame on Trudeau. In my opinion this needs to stop, this is not professional. permalink fedilink source parent [+] small44@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] jerkface@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago rarely any actual constructive or original ideas My mom's getting some dental work, thanks to his original idea. They need to come up with their own identity They HAVE an identity: small-biz heroes, middle-class champions, lift-all-boats tide. This has been their identity for decades. instead of basing it on the opposite of another. You confusing the orange with the blue? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jloewen@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago I mostly agree with agenda of the NDP and also with Singh but I also noticed that he started bashing the liberals more than usual in the last couple of month. I live in Manitoba and hear often official ads from the Conservative party in radio about things they blame on Trudeau. In my opinion this needs to stop, this is not professional. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] small44@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent