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The Pentagon Denies the F-35 Has a Kill Switch, but Its Software Demands Amount to the Same Thing (gizmodo.com)
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[–] 44 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't understand how Israel gets to be so special. I also don't get how any other nation would accept anything less, especially once the deal with Israel proved it (politically) can be done. Technical feasibility shouldn't even be in question.

Well, I guess it's nice that militaries get to "own nothing and be happy" too.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's actually a very telling carve-out, and I have no idea what it's doing so far down in the article. It should have been front and center.

    The only two logical conclusions I can see are:

    • Israel is so sharp with their negotiation that they spotted and fought for something that it just didn't occur to anyone else would be something worth worrying about (possible, I guess.)
    • We already know that Israel is fucked without us, F-35s or no, so there's no particular reason we would need to separately ensure that their F-35s are fucked without us.

    I very much suspect that it's the second one. Which indicates that the lock-in was an intentional decision, and one that actually would make quite a bit of sense on reflection.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The foresight that using F35s for genocide could make some future US politician uppity.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think it is far more likely that some other country would fall out of our good graces than that the US government might become anti-Israeli-genocide.

    (I am not saying you're wrong as far as the Israeli calculus or that factoring into their decision. Just that, as far as my own calculus, they don't really have any need to get concerned.)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Biden made some meek complaints about 2000lb bombs being used in dense urban environment. Israel had to put up with a couple of weeks delay on more of them. They signed contract in 2010. Maybe DNC could have chosen Bernie instead of HRC (just kidding).

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Oh, hello! I didn't even notice it was you when I was replying. Good to see you found a way to shoehorn "Biden" and "DNC" and "Hillary" into this totally related topic. You did it real smoothly, too, it totally wasn't some random hard turn into a rant about US politics and your favorite politicians from the US to talk about. Nice.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Israel's genocidal ambitions were always there. Knowing the absolute control over US rulership and their ability to maintain genocide support through advances in mind control was not known in 2010.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    What?

    The US rulership’s wildly successful tactics of mind control, specifically as pertains to Israel, really haven’t changed much since Noam Chomsky was writing about them in 1988.

    That’s actually part of the problem: New techniques in mind control have been being developed, including organized mass shilling on social media, and the US government hasn’t really gotten the hang of how to do it effectively. As a result they’ve lost control to a large extent over the US populace. However, the people who are now gaining control are somehow even worse than the pro-genocide contingent who were in charge before.

    All you have to do is reach out your hand, on Lemmy, and you can touch someone who’s openly in favor of genocide in Xinjiang or Ukraine. That’s new. The stuff Chomsky talks about seems kind of antiquated now. But it was definitely in full-scale operation, and easily predictable in its features, in 2010.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    you can touch someone who’s openly in favor of genocide in Xinjiang or Ukraine.

    social media disinformation making smears in favour of warmongering is quite new, but extreme statism if not paid agents. The high divisiveness is part of the mind control techniques that are making most of the audience internalize evil. Those were not of certain effectiveness in 2010.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    social media disinformation making smears in favour of warmongering is quite new

    Got it!

    but extreme statism if not paid agents.

    Not a sentence! Also nothing coherent. What are you trying to say here?

    The high divisiveness is part of the mind control techniques

    Absolutely true.

    that are making most of the audience internalize evil

    I don't think this part is true. Most of the tactic of divisiveness and chaos (deliberately lapsing into incoherence and hostility against the other speaker as a default) is to prevent people internalizing anything, I think that is separate from the more directed type of propaganda that's aiming to get people to adopt some particular worldview or other. A lot of it is just attacking the whole concept of developing an accurate and truthful worldview, or effectively communicating on the internet with other people, in general.

    Those were not of certain effectiveness in 2010.

    Are you saying the US populace wasn't manipulated to unconditionally support Israel in 2010? I would say the 2010 electorate was way more misled on that topic than the modern-day audience. There were always some outliers, but the way that pro-Palestinian views have become mainstream even to the point of impacting presidential campaigns, having direct respresentation in congress, that kind of thing, is new.

    Again, the really effective manipulating in the modern day is in other directions. "Europe needs to quit this green energy nonsense and start buying fuel from Russia again." "Joe Biden betrayed the working class and the American people and as a faithful supporter of the left I'm not going to vote for Kamala Harris as a result." That kind of thing.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    extreme statism if not paid agents.

    Mainstream media statism of smearing/warmongering on China and Russia is prevalent. That you would bring up an obsession of China's successful counterterrorism operation in Xinxiang through education, job creation, peace and prosperity results as something to obsess on, or categorize US provoked war on Russia through Ukraine proxy as a genocide, would be another examples of "to the last Ukrainian" US responsibility for the war, instead of Russia defending itself from NATO encroachment, if you insist on calling that a genocide. Genocide declarations are always political, and usually hate based instead of fact based politics.

    I would say the 2010 electorate was way more misled on that topic than the modern-day audience.

    Zionist/neocon bipartisan rulership was never a big electoral issue because Zionist oligarchs gave to both sides, and stayed away from strong opinions on which side was best for Israel. Supposedly not a major voting issue in 2024, even though Zionist supremacists shifted hard to Trump, and allied themselves with even project 2025 agenda, and media (all zionist) also shifted to Trump. There is obvious online resistance for obvious reasons, but mass media still decides winners.

    The extreme social media shift, is the supposedly more intellectual left fanning warmongering against powers that can fight back. If the most republican/neocon/zionist DNC appointees favour warmongering, then so must "we". Europe going psychotic over peace prospects, and responding to economic extortion from US with more psychosis against Russia, is a crazy level at least as high as what comes from the right.

    Europe needs to quit this green energy nonsense and start buying fuel from Russia again.

    Europe policy is mostly escaping that "oil funded disinformation". Like Russian warmongering propaganda (meant for west), it's purpose is US citizen targeted disinformation. Europe doesn't fight back that FF dependence is not just Russia dependence but US dependence as well, but still behaves as though it realizes that. Europe doesn't realize that the Ukraine proxy war on Russia was a war on Europe. Embarrassing response to Nordstream for example, but your oil funded disinformation has a small effect on far right.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    education, job creation, peace and prosperity results

    Europe going psychotic over peace prospects, and responding to economic extortion from US with more psychosis against Russia, is a crazy level at least as high as what comes from the right.

    Absolutely gratifying. Keep talking, this is great stuff, I am highly entertained now.

    https://ponder.cat/post/2069460

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    while criticism of Xinjiang policies can occur, the obsession level is for hateful warmonging points. Not a matter, relative to other attrocities, or my recognition of a somewhat balanced state action that a state addressed as best they can, and with positive outcomes. The obsession is what is bad faith. The hatred, and so violent/repressive reactions that need to feed that hatred, the bad faith.

    Many non-pro Russia reasons to oppose manufacturing/provoking a losing war on Russia. It is stupid, self-destructive. It feeds more fossil fuel development from high prices. It loses elections from those high prices. It forces Russia to have increased military production by 70%, thereby making it scarier. The full colonial sycophancy in supporting US provocation and lies, not only makes the golden billion the true axis of evil, of course the next NATO dictator will slap the colonies harder and the sycophants will plead to lick the diaper as response.

    The craziness over peace, including absurdities you have promoted, such as Russia is to blame for everything Trump threatens, including Greenland, is definitely social media amplifying warmongering stupidity, and further divisiveness and isolations of colonies with the world.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    There is a certain group of people in the US that continue to give special treatment to Israel because they believe that helping Israel “restore” itself will more quickly bring the rapture and Armageddon. Interestingly enough this belief tends to include the idea that Jews and Muslims won’t survive the ensuing necessary war.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Israel has a very strong lobby here because the US is their only source of strength. Spain or France don’t have that kind of lobby because they aren’t entirely dependent on the US for survival.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Because the assumption is that if Canada ever goes against US wishes, it means Canada is an enemy, and the kill switch goes off, but if Israel ever goes against US wishes, it means some lefty pinko commie got into office, and we must protect Israel's role in the rapidly approaching rapture!

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