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[โ] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 56 points 2 years ago* (7 children) I'm too lazy to maintain an Arch install, so it's Mint for me. Long live Mint unironically. permalink fedilink source hideshow 14 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 2 years ago (1 child) Mint is one of the best versions of Ubuntu you could possibly use. They give you Ubuntu without all the forced snaps and other crap. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) At that point just use Debian? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 years ago (2 children) Fair enough, but Mint gives you the more up to date base of Ubuntu and some QoL tools that Debian doesn't have. If you prefer Debian, then use it. I just feel Mint is better for beginners or people who want an easier time with less tinkering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) This sounds like a great place to mention Linux Mint Debian Edition! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago Which is an excellent option if you're okay with Debian. It's a good OS but lacks some of the homegrown tools from the main Mint version. So, for beginners or those less inclined to tinkering I'd still recommend the main edition. Otherwise yes, Debian Edition is another great option. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Debian was good enough for my grandfather and itโs good enough for me. Seriously, running cinnamon desktop in Debian is my best option. I donโt need fancy, just no breaking Plot twist: am grandfather myself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's awesome. While I don't share your love for Debian, I'm glad it exists. Without it, we wouldn't have Ubuntu or Mint or a ton of other choices. It's also amazing that it works, as-is, for some people. More options just means more possibilities for people to find something that works for them and that's what's important. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ever since docker became available, along with flatpak; the Linux running these became less of an issue for me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also a valid point. I still want to try Docker at some point, but I haven't really needed it yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have to use some programming tools and languages to code; installing them side by side and updating was a major hassle. Now I just have some aliases in command prompt. Docket desktop was a major religious experience for me; much easier than before permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just want to learn to use it to make my home server easier to manage. But your use case does make perfect sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And it sounds like in your case you need new and fancy, if I had to start over I would do arch permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Honestly, the server runs pi-hole, which I wanna switch for Adguard Home at some point, and Syncthing. Really not much running, but if Docker makes it easier to update and manage I want to learn how it works. But yes, I do want new and shiny. Just because it's a very simple home setup that doesn't have to be absolutely rock-solid stable. Also helps me feel more at ease about security fixes and such. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] bitwaba@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You can do that with Mint too - LMDE permalink fedilink source parent [โ] herrvogel@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Running yay every other day is all the maintenance I do on my arch installation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [โ] Nalivai@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly. My wife is a teacher and she runs Arch daily, knowing only how to run yay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago โค๏ธwhish more people would understand that a good set up Arch does not need maintenance, just updates prior you turn your pc off. You could even automate that, like OpenSource TW is by default. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] zqps@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) When I tried Arch in '23, it worked well. Then I got busy and lazy and didn't use it for 2-3 months. When I came back and did yay -sYu as I had learned, dozens of KDE and core packages were throwing errors and wouldn't update. Unfortunate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] bitwaba@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago yay -Syu, and around that time KDE had switched from plasma 5 to plasma 6, which involved moving a lot of packages into the extra repository, so you had to sit there and confirm each package move (unless you used --noconfirm). permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You gotta read what yay is telling you.. ๐ซฃerror come with a text for a reason! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] zqps@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I did. It told me I needed to uninstall them. ๐ค permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) ๐ I see, I guess it was assumed that the user gets, that they have to install it again afterwards (the correct version) if they still need the software ๐ค permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] zqps@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* No kidding. Why else would it be the result of an attempted update. But thanks for the continued condescension. Can we perhaps stop pretending that it's the most normal thing on earth to run an update and get back "hm yeah so there's an issue, to fix it you're gonna have to uninstall your entire GUI and half of your core operating system", and it's simply user error to be irritated by that in any way. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago I do it whenever I feel like. Don't even feel the need to be regular. With Win10, the notifications used to increase my tension permalink fedilink source parent [โ] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Mint > literally all OS, Mobile or PC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago ๐nope permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Nalivai@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) What do you mean by maintaining? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] bruhduh@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) He probably means tinkering permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Nalivai@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) And if so, I can't for the life of me Invision how it's harder on Arch than on the Ubuntu or its derivatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Some people just have allergy on terminal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) They should use YaST permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agree permalink fedilink source parent [โ] bitwaba@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That's the real "difference" in the Linux camps right? Ubuntu N00bs - "what's a terminal?" vs. Arch, Gentoo, Nix, etc users who despite whatever camp you're in you know you can tell them "you need to enable the systemd service" or "add option blah to /etc/program.conf and they know what they means without further explanation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] bruhduh@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago If we want "the year of Linux" to truly come then we have to cater to these people, like it or not elitism and gatekeeping is way to obscurity, I've been daily driving Linux on every device i have for 9 years already and i keep repeating, masses will come when it'll actually be usable to them, steamos is example permalink fedilink source parent [โ] JATtho@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (6 children) Arch maintenance: 0. Install it once. (The proper way) Every 2 weeks minimum pacman -Syu Every 3 months merge/update configs in /etc. I don't get what is with this so hard? Yes, configs can be undecipherable but 90% time the merge involves just deleting the .pacnew versions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [โ] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) You say maintenance is 0 then list 2 things I don't have to do on Mint Remembering to bother with a CLI and configs is the hard part, on Mint I get a nice GUI with reminders that I have updates to things. You know, like it's some time past the year 2000? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago I think they were trying to make a 0-indexed list and fucked up the markdown, so install is just step 0. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You donโt have to update mint ๐ฎ? Well, you donโt have to update Arch, neither permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) on Mint I get a nice GUI with reminders that I have updates to things I don't have to do CLI or folder management to update was me point permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago One can argue that โinstall Arch properlyโ includes setting up a GUI button (like welcome window in endeavourOS) that triggers Pacman -Syu (or just yay) in the background outputting only warnings ๐ค permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* The problem is that other 10% where I have to spend my time trawling the arch wiki to fix my OS instead of like... doing cool things on my computer. If that's what you enjoy that's great, but your hobby is not my hobby. I've used arch on several of my devices, it can be great! But there's this idea that arch is the perfect solution to pretty much everyone's desktop problems and it's crazymaking to see repeated over and over on here. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Running pacman every two weeks seems like a bad idea if you have a lot of packages... The dependencies can get dicey if you have to update too many at once. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] JATtho@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well I meant two weeks is the longest period i can leave the system without updating and have no problems. And i have yet to break it with 300 pkgs updating at once. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago I had about 600 yesterday after turning on an old laptop that hasn't been on in months... I just broke it down into two chunks, making sure to install the libraries and shit first to try to reduce possible dependency issues. Worked fine. Really, the worst time for me was when I had ~500 but did not realize that I did not have enough free space... I think I ended up just Time Shifting back after that one stopped me from booting. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Aelis@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* On EndavourOS here, I spent hours upon install tinkering and setting everything like I wanted and forgot most of what I did ever since. I'm so lazy I use a one word alias to update all my stuff in one go. I rarely have to bother myself reading and checking if everything's fine (I still do it from time to time just to be safe but I do it less and less because it's almost useless).. I even update a bit late sometimes and quite randomly in general. It's been almost 4 years like this now, nothing ever broke, had an issue with an Aur only once..never even had to tinker with anything. I remember having harder times with Ubuntu or Manjaro like a decade ago..even had freaking issues with Mint, it's crazy. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Really_long_toes@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Yeah, I started on Ubuntu, got acclimated to Linux using it, went to mint, didn't give me what I wanted and just dove into arch, been running the same install for 8 years now and honestly don't want any more from my os... I also love my steam deck.. It runs arch BTW ๐ permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I never touched /etc yet on my install ๐ permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I don't use Arch because I don't trust the AUR. I run ubuntu based distros on my desktop and servers for better compatibility with software and then use Fedora based software on my laptop and media center. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Iโm too lazy to maintain a mint install, so it is endeavourOS for me. Just yay permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 2 years ago (1 child) Mint is one of the best versions of Ubuntu you could possibly use. They give you Ubuntu without all the forced snaps and other crap. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) At that point just use Debian? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 years ago (2 children) Fair enough, but Mint gives you the more up to date base of Ubuntu and some QoL tools that Debian doesn't have. If you prefer Debian, then use it. I just feel Mint is better for beginners or people who want an easier time with less tinkering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) This sounds like a great place to mention Linux Mint Debian Edition! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago Which is an excellent option if you're okay with Debian. It's a good OS but lacks some of the homegrown tools from the main Mint version. So, for beginners or those less inclined to tinkering I'd still recommend the main edition. Otherwise yes, Debian Edition is another great option. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Debian was good enough for my grandfather and itโs good enough for me. Seriously, running cinnamon desktop in Debian is my best option. I donโt need fancy, just no breaking Plot twist: am grandfather myself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's awesome. While I don't share your love for Debian, I'm glad it exists. Without it, we wouldn't have Ubuntu or Mint or a ton of other choices. It's also amazing that it works, as-is, for some people. More options just means more possibilities for people to find something that works for them and that's what's important. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ever since docker became available, along with flatpak; the Linux running these became less of an issue for me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also a valid point. I still want to try Docker at some point, but I haven't really needed it yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have to use some programming tools and languages to code; installing them side by side and updating was a major hassle. Now I just have some aliases in command prompt. Docket desktop was a major religious experience for me; much easier than before permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just want to learn to use it to make my home server easier to manage. But your use case does make perfect sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And it sounds like in your case you need new and fancy, if I had to start over I would do arch permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Honestly, the server runs pi-hole, which I wanna switch for Adguard Home at some point, and Syncthing. Really not much running, but if Docker makes it easier to update and manage I want to learn how it works. But yes, I do want new and shiny. Just because it's a very simple home setup that doesn't have to be absolutely rock-solid stable. Also helps me feel more at ease about security fixes and such. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] bitwaba@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You can do that with Mint too - LMDE permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) At that point just use Debian? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 years ago (2 children) Fair enough, but Mint gives you the more up to date base of Ubuntu and some QoL tools that Debian doesn't have. If you prefer Debian, then use it. I just feel Mint is better for beginners or people who want an easier time with less tinkering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) This sounds like a great place to mention Linux Mint Debian Edition! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago Which is an excellent option if you're okay with Debian. It's a good OS but lacks some of the homegrown tools from the main Mint version. So, for beginners or those less inclined to tinkering I'd still recommend the main edition. Otherwise yes, Debian Edition is another great option. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Debian was good enough for my grandfather and itโs good enough for me. Seriously, running cinnamon desktop in Debian is my best option. I donโt need fancy, just no breaking Plot twist: am grandfather myself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's awesome. While I don't share your love for Debian, I'm glad it exists. Without it, we wouldn't have Ubuntu or Mint or a ton of other choices. It's also amazing that it works, as-is, for some people. More options just means more possibilities for people to find something that works for them and that's what's important. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ever since docker became available, along with flatpak; the Linux running these became less of an issue for me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also a valid point. I still want to try Docker at some point, but I haven't really needed it yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have to use some programming tools and languages to code; installing them side by side and updating was a major hassle. Now I just have some aliases in command prompt. Docket desktop was a major religious experience for me; much easier than before permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just want to learn to use it to make my home server easier to manage. But your use case does make perfect sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And it sounds like in your case you need new and fancy, if I had to start over I would do arch permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Honestly, the server runs pi-hole, which I wanna switch for Adguard Home at some point, and Syncthing. Really not much running, but if Docker makes it easier to update and manage I want to learn how it works. But yes, I do want new and shiny. Just because it's a very simple home setup that doesn't have to be absolutely rock-solid stable. Also helps me feel more at ease about security fixes and such. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] bitwaba@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You can do that with Mint too - LMDE permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 years ago (2 children) Fair enough, but Mint gives you the more up to date base of Ubuntu and some QoL tools that Debian doesn't have. If you prefer Debian, then use it. I just feel Mint is better for beginners or people who want an easier time with less tinkering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) This sounds like a great place to mention Linux Mint Debian Edition! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago Which is an excellent option if you're okay with Debian. It's a good OS but lacks some of the homegrown tools from the main Mint version. So, for beginners or those less inclined to tinkering I'd still recommend the main edition. Otherwise yes, Debian Edition is another great option. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Debian was good enough for my grandfather and itโs good enough for me. Seriously, running cinnamon desktop in Debian is my best option. I donโt need fancy, just no breaking Plot twist: am grandfather myself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's awesome. While I don't share your love for Debian, I'm glad it exists. Without it, we wouldn't have Ubuntu or Mint or a ton of other choices. It's also amazing that it works, as-is, for some people. More options just means more possibilities for people to find something that works for them and that's what's important. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ever since docker became available, along with flatpak; the Linux running these became less of an issue for me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also a valid point. I still want to try Docker at some point, but I haven't really needed it yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have to use some programming tools and languages to code; installing them side by side and updating was a major hassle. Now I just have some aliases in command prompt. Docket desktop was a major religious experience for me; much easier than before permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just want to learn to use it to make my home server easier to manage. But your use case does make perfect sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And it sounds like in your case you need new and fancy, if I had to start over I would do arch permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Honestly, the server runs pi-hole, which I wanna switch for Adguard Home at some point, and Syncthing. Really not much running, but if Docker makes it easier to update and manage I want to learn how it works. But yes, I do want new and shiny. Just because it's a very simple home setup that doesn't have to be absolutely rock-solid stable. Also helps me feel more at ease about security fixes and such. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) This sounds like a great place to mention Linux Mint Debian Edition! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago Which is an excellent option if you're okay with Debian. It's a good OS but lacks some of the homegrown tools from the main Mint version. So, for beginners or those less inclined to tinkering I'd still recommend the main edition. Otherwise yes, Debian Edition is another great option. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago Which is an excellent option if you're okay with Debian. It's a good OS but lacks some of the homegrown tools from the main Mint version. So, for beginners or those less inclined to tinkering I'd still recommend the main edition. Otherwise yes, Debian Edition is another great option. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Debian was good enough for my grandfather and itโs good enough for me. Seriously, running cinnamon desktop in Debian is my best option. I donโt need fancy, just no breaking Plot twist: am grandfather myself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's awesome. While I don't share your love for Debian, I'm glad it exists. Without it, we wouldn't have Ubuntu or Mint or a ton of other choices. It's also amazing that it works, as-is, for some people. More options just means more possibilities for people to find something that works for them and that's what's important. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ever since docker became available, along with flatpak; the Linux running these became less of an issue for me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also a valid point. I still want to try Docker at some point, but I haven't really needed it yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have to use some programming tools and languages to code; installing them side by side and updating was a major hassle. Now I just have some aliases in command prompt. Docket desktop was a major religious experience for me; much easier than before permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just want to learn to use it to make my home server easier to manage. But your use case does make perfect sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And it sounds like in your case you need new and fancy, if I had to start over I would do arch permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Honestly, the server runs pi-hole, which I wanna switch for Adguard Home at some point, and Syncthing. Really not much running, but if Docker makes it easier to update and manage I want to learn how it works. But yes, I do want new and shiny. Just because it's a very simple home setup that doesn't have to be absolutely rock-solid stable. Also helps me feel more at ease about security fixes and such. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's awesome. While I don't share your love for Debian, I'm glad it exists. Without it, we wouldn't have Ubuntu or Mint or a ton of other choices. It's also amazing that it works, as-is, for some people. More options just means more possibilities for people to find something that works for them and that's what's important. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ever since docker became available, along with flatpak; the Linux running these became less of an issue for me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also a valid point. I still want to try Docker at some point, but I haven't really needed it yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have to use some programming tools and languages to code; installing them side by side and updating was a major hassle. Now I just have some aliases in command prompt. Docket desktop was a major religious experience for me; much easier than before permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just want to learn to use it to make my home server easier to manage. But your use case does make perfect sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And it sounds like in your case you need new and fancy, if I had to start over I would do arch permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Honestly, the server runs pi-hole, which I wanna switch for Adguard Home at some point, and Syncthing. Really not much running, but if Docker makes it easier to update and manage I want to learn how it works. But yes, I do want new and shiny. Just because it's a very simple home setup that doesn't have to be absolutely rock-solid stable. Also helps me feel more at ease about security fixes and such. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ever since docker became available, along with flatpak; the Linux running these became less of an issue for me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also a valid point. I still want to try Docker at some point, but I haven't really needed it yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have to use some programming tools and languages to code; installing them side by side and updating was a major hassle. Now I just have some aliases in command prompt. Docket desktop was a major religious experience for me; much easier than before permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just want to learn to use it to make my home server easier to manage. But your use case does make perfect sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And it sounds like in your case you need new and fancy, if I had to start over I would do arch permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Honestly, the server runs pi-hole, which I wanna switch for Adguard Home at some point, and Syncthing. Really not much running, but if Docker makes it easier to update and manage I want to learn how it works. But yes, I do want new and shiny. Just because it's a very simple home setup that doesn't have to be absolutely rock-solid stable. Also helps me feel more at ease about security fixes and such. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also a valid point. I still want to try Docker at some point, but I haven't really needed it yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have to use some programming tools and languages to code; installing them side by side and updating was a major hassle. Now I just have some aliases in command prompt. Docket desktop was a major religious experience for me; much easier than before permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just want to learn to use it to make my home server easier to manage. But your use case does make perfect sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And it sounds like in your case you need new and fancy, if I had to start over I would do arch permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Honestly, the server runs pi-hole, which I wanna switch for Adguard Home at some point, and Syncthing. Really not much running, but if Docker makes it easier to update and manage I want to learn how it works. But yes, I do want new and shiny. Just because it's a very simple home setup that doesn't have to be absolutely rock-solid stable. Also helps me feel more at ease about security fixes and such. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have to use some programming tools and languages to code; installing them side by side and updating was a major hassle. Now I just have some aliases in command prompt. Docket desktop was a major religious experience for me; much easier than before permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just want to learn to use it to make my home server easier to manage. But your use case does make perfect sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And it sounds like in your case you need new and fancy, if I had to start over I would do arch permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Honestly, the server runs pi-hole, which I wanna switch for Adguard Home at some point, and Syncthing. Really not much running, but if Docker makes it easier to update and manage I want to learn how it works. But yes, I do want new and shiny. Just because it's a very simple home setup that doesn't have to be absolutely rock-solid stable. Also helps me feel more at ease about security fixes and such. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I just want to learn to use it to make my home server easier to manage. But your use case does make perfect sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And it sounds like in your case you need new and fancy, if I had to start over I would do arch permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Honestly, the server runs pi-hole, which I wanna switch for Adguard Home at some point, and Syncthing. Really not much running, but if Docker makes it easier to update and manage I want to learn how it works. But yes, I do want new and shiny. Just because it's a very simple home setup that doesn't have to be absolutely rock-solid stable. Also helps me feel more at ease about security fixes and such. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And it sounds like in your case you need new and fancy, if I had to start over I would do arch permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Honestly, the server runs pi-hole, which I wanna switch for Adguard Home at some point, and Syncthing. Really not much running, but if Docker makes it easier to update and manage I want to learn how it works. But yes, I do want new and shiny. Just because it's a very simple home setup that doesn't have to be absolutely rock-solid stable. Also helps me feel more at ease about security fixes and such. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Honestly, the server runs pi-hole, which I wanna switch for Adguard Home at some point, and Syncthing. Really not much running, but if Docker makes it easier to update and manage I want to learn how it works. But yes, I do want new and shiny. Just because it's a very simple home setup that doesn't have to be absolutely rock-solid stable. Also helps me feel more at ease about security fixes and such. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] bitwaba@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You can do that with Mint too - LMDE permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] herrvogel@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Running yay every other day is all the maintenance I do on my arch installation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [โ] Nalivai@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly. My wife is a teacher and she runs Arch daily, knowing only how to run yay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago โค๏ธwhish more people would understand that a good set up Arch does not need maintenance, just updates prior you turn your pc off. You could even automate that, like OpenSource TW is by default. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] zqps@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) When I tried Arch in '23, it worked well. Then I got busy and lazy and didn't use it for 2-3 months. When I came back and did yay -sYu as I had learned, dozens of KDE and core packages were throwing errors and wouldn't update. Unfortunate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] bitwaba@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago yay -Syu, and around that time KDE had switched from plasma 5 to plasma 6, which involved moving a lot of packages into the extra repository, so you had to sit there and confirm each package move (unless you used --noconfirm). permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You gotta read what yay is telling you.. ๐ซฃerror come with a text for a reason! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] zqps@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I did. It told me I needed to uninstall them. ๐ค permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) ๐ I see, I guess it was assumed that the user gets, that they have to install it again afterwards (the correct version) if they still need the software ๐ค permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] zqps@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* No kidding. Why else would it be the result of an attempted update. But thanks for the continued condescension. Can we perhaps stop pretending that it's the most normal thing on earth to run an update and get back "hm yeah so there's an issue, to fix it you're gonna have to uninstall your entire GUI and half of your core operating system", and it's simply user error to be irritated by that in any way. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago I do it whenever I feel like. Don't even feel the need to be regular. With Win10, the notifications used to increase my tension permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Nalivai@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Exactly. My wife is a teacher and she runs Arch daily, knowing only how to run yay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago โค๏ธwhish more people would understand that a good set up Arch does not need maintenance, just updates prior you turn your pc off. You could even automate that, like OpenSource TW is by default. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago โค๏ธwhish more people would understand that a good set up Arch does not need maintenance, just updates prior you turn your pc off. You could even automate that, like OpenSource TW is by default. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] zqps@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) When I tried Arch in '23, it worked well. Then I got busy and lazy and didn't use it for 2-3 months. When I came back and did yay -sYu as I had learned, dozens of KDE and core packages were throwing errors and wouldn't update. Unfortunate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] bitwaba@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago yay -Syu, and around that time KDE had switched from plasma 5 to plasma 6, which involved moving a lot of packages into the extra repository, so you had to sit there and confirm each package move (unless you used --noconfirm). permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You gotta read what yay is telling you.. ๐ซฃerror come with a text for a reason! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] zqps@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I did. It told me I needed to uninstall them. ๐ค permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) ๐ I see, I guess it was assumed that the user gets, that they have to install it again afterwards (the correct version) if they still need the software ๐ค permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] zqps@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* No kidding. Why else would it be the result of an attempted update. But thanks for the continued condescension. Can we perhaps stop pretending that it's the most normal thing on earth to run an update and get back "hm yeah so there's an issue, to fix it you're gonna have to uninstall your entire GUI and half of your core operating system", and it's simply user error to be irritated by that in any way. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] bitwaba@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago yay -Syu, and around that time KDE had switched from plasma 5 to plasma 6, which involved moving a lot of packages into the extra repository, so you had to sit there and confirm each package move (unless you used --noconfirm). permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You gotta read what yay is telling you.. ๐ซฃerror come with a text for a reason! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] zqps@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I did. It told me I needed to uninstall them. ๐ค permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) ๐ I see, I guess it was assumed that the user gets, that they have to install it again afterwards (the correct version) if they still need the software ๐ค permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] zqps@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* No kidding. Why else would it be the result of an attempted update. But thanks for the continued condescension. Can we perhaps stop pretending that it's the most normal thing on earth to run an update and get back "hm yeah so there's an issue, to fix it you're gonna have to uninstall your entire GUI and half of your core operating system", and it's simply user error to be irritated by that in any way. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] zqps@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I did. It told me I needed to uninstall them. ๐ค permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) ๐ I see, I guess it was assumed that the user gets, that they have to install it again afterwards (the correct version) if they still need the software ๐ค permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] zqps@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* No kidding. Why else would it be the result of an attempted update. But thanks for the continued condescension. Can we perhaps stop pretending that it's the most normal thing on earth to run an update and get back "hm yeah so there's an issue, to fix it you're gonna have to uninstall your entire GUI and half of your core operating system", and it's simply user error to be irritated by that in any way. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) ๐ I see, I guess it was assumed that the user gets, that they have to install it again afterwards (the correct version) if they still need the software ๐ค permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] zqps@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* No kidding. Why else would it be the result of an attempted update. But thanks for the continued condescension. Can we perhaps stop pretending that it's the most normal thing on earth to run an update and get back "hm yeah so there's an issue, to fix it you're gonna have to uninstall your entire GUI and half of your core operating system", and it's simply user error to be irritated by that in any way. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] zqps@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* No kidding. Why else would it be the result of an attempted update. But thanks for the continued condescension. Can we perhaps stop pretending that it's the most normal thing on earth to run an update and get back "hm yeah so there's an issue, to fix it you're gonna have to uninstall your entire GUI and half of your core operating system", and it's simply user error to be irritated by that in any way. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] ulterno@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago I do it whenever I feel like. Don't even feel the need to be regular. With Win10, the notifications used to increase my tension permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Mint > literally all OS, Mobile or PC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago ๐nope permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Nalivai@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) What do you mean by maintaining? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] bruhduh@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) He probably means tinkering permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Nalivai@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) And if so, I can't for the life of me Invision how it's harder on Arch than on the Ubuntu or its derivatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Some people just have allergy on terminal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) They should use YaST permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agree permalink fedilink source parent [โ] bitwaba@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That's the real "difference" in the Linux camps right? Ubuntu N00bs - "what's a terminal?" vs. Arch, Gentoo, Nix, etc users who despite whatever camp you're in you know you can tell them "you need to enable the systemd service" or "add option blah to /etc/program.conf and they know what they means without further explanation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] bruhduh@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago If we want "the year of Linux" to truly come then we have to cater to these people, like it or not elitism and gatekeeping is way to obscurity, I've been daily driving Linux on every device i have for 9 years already and i keep repeating, masses will come when it'll actually be usable to them, steamos is example permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] bruhduh@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) He probably means tinkering permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Nalivai@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) And if so, I can't for the life of me Invision how it's harder on Arch than on the Ubuntu or its derivatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Some people just have allergy on terminal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) They should use YaST permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agree permalink fedilink source parent [โ] bitwaba@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That's the real "difference" in the Linux camps right? Ubuntu N00bs - "what's a terminal?" vs. Arch, Gentoo, Nix, etc users who despite whatever camp you're in you know you can tell them "you need to enable the systemd service" or "add option blah to /etc/program.conf and they know what they means without further explanation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] bruhduh@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago If we want "the year of Linux" to truly come then we have to cater to these people, like it or not elitism and gatekeeping is way to obscurity, I've been daily driving Linux on every device i have for 9 years already and i keep repeating, masses will come when it'll actually be usable to them, steamos is example permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Nalivai@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) And if so, I can't for the life of me Invision how it's harder on Arch than on the Ubuntu or its derivatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Some people just have allergy on terminal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) They should use YaST permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agree permalink fedilink source parent [โ] bitwaba@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That's the real "difference" in the Linux camps right? Ubuntu N00bs - "what's a terminal?" vs. Arch, Gentoo, Nix, etc users who despite whatever camp you're in you know you can tell them "you need to enable the systemd service" or "add option blah to /etc/program.conf and they know what they means without further explanation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] bruhduh@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago If we want "the year of Linux" to truly come then we have to cater to these people, like it or not elitism and gatekeeping is way to obscurity, I've been daily driving Linux on every device i have for 9 years already and i keep repeating, masses will come when it'll actually be usable to them, steamos is example permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Some people just have allergy on terminal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) They should use YaST permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agree permalink fedilink source parent [โ] bitwaba@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That's the real "difference" in the Linux camps right? Ubuntu N00bs - "what's a terminal?" vs. Arch, Gentoo, Nix, etc users who despite whatever camp you're in you know you can tell them "you need to enable the systemd service" or "add option blah to /etc/program.conf and they know what they means without further explanation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] bruhduh@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago If we want "the year of Linux" to truly come then we have to cater to these people, like it or not elitism and gatekeeping is way to obscurity, I've been daily driving Linux on every device i have for 9 years already and i keep repeating, masses will come when it'll actually be usable to them, steamos is example permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) They should use YaST permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] bruhduh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Agree permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] bitwaba@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That's the real "difference" in the Linux camps right? Ubuntu N00bs - "what's a terminal?" vs. Arch, Gentoo, Nix, etc users who despite whatever camp you're in you know you can tell them "you need to enable the systemd service" or "add option blah to /etc/program.conf and they know what they means without further explanation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] bruhduh@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago If we want "the year of Linux" to truly come then we have to cater to these people, like it or not elitism and gatekeeping is way to obscurity, I've been daily driving Linux on every device i have for 9 years already and i keep repeating, masses will come when it'll actually be usable to them, steamos is example permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] bruhduh@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago If we want "the year of Linux" to truly come then we have to cater to these people, like it or not elitism and gatekeeping is way to obscurity, I've been daily driving Linux on every device i have for 9 years already and i keep repeating, masses will come when it'll actually be usable to them, steamos is example permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] JATtho@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (6 children) Arch maintenance: 0. Install it once. (The proper way) Every 2 weeks minimum pacman -Syu Every 3 months merge/update configs in /etc. I don't get what is with this so hard? Yes, configs can be undecipherable but 90% time the merge involves just deleting the .pacnew versions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [โ] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) You say maintenance is 0 then list 2 things I don't have to do on Mint Remembering to bother with a CLI and configs is the hard part, on Mint I get a nice GUI with reminders that I have updates to things. You know, like it's some time past the year 2000? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago I think they were trying to make a 0-indexed list and fucked up the markdown, so install is just step 0. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You donโt have to update mint ๐ฎ? Well, you donโt have to update Arch, neither permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) on Mint I get a nice GUI with reminders that I have updates to things I don't have to do CLI or folder management to update was me point permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago One can argue that โinstall Arch properlyโ includes setting up a GUI button (like welcome window in endeavourOS) that triggers Pacman -Syu (or just yay) in the background outputting only warnings ๐ค permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* The problem is that other 10% where I have to spend my time trawling the arch wiki to fix my OS instead of like... doing cool things on my computer. If that's what you enjoy that's great, but your hobby is not my hobby. I've used arch on several of my devices, it can be great! But there's this idea that arch is the perfect solution to pretty much everyone's desktop problems and it's crazymaking to see repeated over and over on here. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Running pacman every two weeks seems like a bad idea if you have a lot of packages... The dependencies can get dicey if you have to update too many at once. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] JATtho@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well I meant two weeks is the longest period i can leave the system without updating and have no problems. And i have yet to break it with 300 pkgs updating at once. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago I had about 600 yesterday after turning on an old laptop that hasn't been on in months... I just broke it down into two chunks, making sure to install the libraries and shit first to try to reduce possible dependency issues. Worked fine. Really, the worst time for me was when I had ~500 but did not realize that I did not have enough free space... I think I ended up just Time Shifting back after that one stopped me from booting. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Aelis@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* On EndavourOS here, I spent hours upon install tinkering and setting everything like I wanted and forgot most of what I did ever since. I'm so lazy I use a one word alias to update all my stuff in one go. I rarely have to bother myself reading and checking if everything's fine (I still do it from time to time just to be safe but I do it less and less because it's almost useless).. I even update a bit late sometimes and quite randomly in general. It's been almost 4 years like this now, nothing ever broke, had an issue with an Aur only once..never even had to tinker with anything. I remember having harder times with Ubuntu or Manjaro like a decade ago..even had freaking issues with Mint, it's crazy. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Really_long_toes@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Yeah, I started on Ubuntu, got acclimated to Linux using it, went to mint, didn't give me what I wanted and just dove into arch, been running the same install for 8 years now and honestly don't want any more from my os... I also love my steam deck.. It runs arch BTW ๐ permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I never touched /etc yet on my install ๐ permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) You say maintenance is 0 then list 2 things I don't have to do on Mint Remembering to bother with a CLI and configs is the hard part, on Mint I get a nice GUI with reminders that I have updates to things. You know, like it's some time past the year 2000? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago I think they were trying to make a 0-indexed list and fucked up the markdown, so install is just step 0. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You donโt have to update mint ๐ฎ? Well, you donโt have to update Arch, neither permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) on Mint I get a nice GUI with reminders that I have updates to things I don't have to do CLI or folder management to update was me point permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago One can argue that โinstall Arch properlyโ includes setting up a GUI button (like welcome window in endeavourOS) that triggers Pacman -Syu (or just yay) in the background outputting only warnings ๐ค permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago I think they were trying to make a 0-indexed list and fucked up the markdown, so install is just step 0. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You donโt have to update mint ๐ฎ? Well, you donโt have to update Arch, neither permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) on Mint I get a nice GUI with reminders that I have updates to things I don't have to do CLI or folder management to update was me point permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago One can argue that โinstall Arch properlyโ includes setting up a GUI button (like welcome window in endeavourOS) that triggers Pacman -Syu (or just yay) in the background outputting only warnings ๐ค permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) on Mint I get a nice GUI with reminders that I have updates to things I don't have to do CLI or folder management to update was me point permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago One can argue that โinstall Arch properlyโ includes setting up a GUI button (like welcome window in endeavourOS) that triggers Pacman -Syu (or just yay) in the background outputting only warnings ๐ค permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago One can argue that โinstall Arch properlyโ includes setting up a GUI button (like welcome window in endeavourOS) that triggers Pacman -Syu (or just yay) in the background outputting only warnings ๐ค permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* The problem is that other 10% where I have to spend my time trawling the arch wiki to fix my OS instead of like... doing cool things on my computer. If that's what you enjoy that's great, but your hobby is not my hobby. I've used arch on several of my devices, it can be great! But there's this idea that arch is the perfect solution to pretty much everyone's desktop problems and it's crazymaking to see repeated over and over on here. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Running pacman every two weeks seems like a bad idea if you have a lot of packages... The dependencies can get dicey if you have to update too many at once. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] JATtho@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well I meant two weeks is the longest period i can leave the system without updating and have no problems. And i have yet to break it with 300 pkgs updating at once. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago I had about 600 yesterday after turning on an old laptop that hasn't been on in months... I just broke it down into two chunks, making sure to install the libraries and shit first to try to reduce possible dependency issues. Worked fine. Really, the worst time for me was when I had ~500 but did not realize that I did not have enough free space... I think I ended up just Time Shifting back after that one stopped me from booting. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] JATtho@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well I meant two weeks is the longest period i can leave the system without updating and have no problems. And i have yet to break it with 300 pkgs updating at once. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago I had about 600 yesterday after turning on an old laptop that hasn't been on in months... I just broke it down into two chunks, making sure to install the libraries and shit first to try to reduce possible dependency issues. Worked fine. Really, the worst time for me was when I had ~500 but did not realize that I did not have enough free space... I think I ended up just Time Shifting back after that one stopped me from booting. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago I had about 600 yesterday after turning on an old laptop that hasn't been on in months... I just broke it down into two chunks, making sure to install the libraries and shit first to try to reduce possible dependency issues. Worked fine. Really, the worst time for me was when I had ~500 but did not realize that I did not have enough free space... I think I ended up just Time Shifting back after that one stopped me from booting. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Aelis@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* On EndavourOS here, I spent hours upon install tinkering and setting everything like I wanted and forgot most of what I did ever since. I'm so lazy I use a one word alias to update all my stuff in one go. I rarely have to bother myself reading and checking if everything's fine (I still do it from time to time just to be safe but I do it less and less because it's almost useless).. I even update a bit late sometimes and quite randomly in general. It's been almost 4 years like this now, nothing ever broke, had an issue with an Aur only once..never even had to tinker with anything. I remember having harder times with Ubuntu or Manjaro like a decade ago..even had freaking issues with Mint, it's crazy. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Really_long_toes@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Yeah, I started on Ubuntu, got acclimated to Linux using it, went to mint, didn't give me what I wanted and just dove into arch, been running the same install for 8 years now and honestly don't want any more from my os... I also love my steam deck.. It runs arch BTW ๐ permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I never touched /etc yet on my install ๐ permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I don't use Arch because I don't trust the AUR. I run ubuntu based distros on my desktop and servers for better compatibility with software and then use Fedora based software on my laptop and media center. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Iโm too lazy to maintain a mint install, so it is endeavourOS for me. Just yay permalink fedilink source parent
