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[–] 236 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Um actually... Opera and Edge weren't always based on chromium!

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Pre-Chromium Edge wasn't even that bad. Sure, the engine had its issues and there was probably a bit of Edge-specific JS on some websites, but I'm sure they would've eventually got there.

    But seeing that even Microsoft abandoned making their own browser engine, it goes to show how complex it is to make one nowadays and with new web APIs/features coming out every few weeks it feels like, it's almost impossible to keep up.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    But seeing that even Microsoft abandoned making their own browser engine, it goes to show how complex it is to make one nowadays and with new web APIs/features coming out every few weeks it feels like, it's almost impossible to keep up.

    No, Microsoft is just historically bad at making browsers. It was not until Internet Explorer 7 that they finally implemented HTML 4 and CSS 2 without major glaring bugs.

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    [–] 168 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Firefox with add-ons. Especially, but not only, Ublock Origin.

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    [–] 138 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    This is why I've stuck with firefox through thick and thin

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    [–] 113 points 2 years ago (26 children)

    Brave, Vivaldi, Edge and other chromium browsers are forks of the main chromium project. They can decide whether to include or exclude features from mainstream chromium.

    As far as I know, Brave and Vivaldi will keep Manifest V2 extension support and said that they will not ship WEI (Web Environment Integrity).

    Discord uses a modified version of electron, and it's also probably an outdated fork as well, although I am not sure about that.

    Steam, in the other hand, uses CEF, which they use as a way to render it's interface and as a replacement of VGUI (a good example of this is the steam game overlay), I don't know if they will ship WEI if it ever releases in chromium as there isn't a statement from Valve yet.


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    If I missed something, please tell me!

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    [–] 109 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Google accounts for some 80%+ of Mozilla’s revenue. Firefox struck a different kind of deal with the devil than chromium browsers, but Google is the one pulling the strings.

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  • [–] 60 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Bit of a weird thought, but I wonder also if they see Mozilla as a sort of controlled opposition too? As in, keep Firefox around so they don't get in trouble over antitrust or something like that?

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  • [–] 68 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Mozilla.org is the corpse of Netscape that Google keeps animated so that it looks like they have competition when they really don't.

    The existence of Firefox is something they can point to to say they're not a monopoly. The fact that 80% of the revenue Firefox receives is from Google means that Google effectively controls them. Mozilla has to weigh every decision against the risk that it will cause Google to withdraw their funding. That severely restricts the choices they're willing to consider.

    Firefox is only 5% of browsers, so it really doesn't matter to Google if that 5% of users considers using a different search engine. Because of the Firefox user base, many of them will have already switched search engines, and because Google is such a dominant player, many others would switch back to Google if the browser used a different default. So, maybe 10% of that 5% would permanently switch search engines if Google stopped paying. Is that really worth billions per year? Probably not. But, pretending like you have competitors in the browser space and using that to push back on antitrust, that's definitely worth billions per year.

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    Google pays Mozilla in exchange for google being Firefox's default search engine

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  • [–] 83 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I see that as an okay compromise. Anyone who cares will also know how to change it easily.

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    [–] 92 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    This feels weird to say.... I really think Microsoft should've stuck with trident / edgehtml.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Why? Because you liked the greater browser diversity or because you think it made a better browser?

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago

    It was actually one of the most W3C compliant browsers there is, more so than chromium based ones. Unfortunately google’s near monopoly has made websites focus on working in chrome, not on standards.

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    [–] 68 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Wait STEAM AND DISCORD ARE CHROMIUM?

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  • [–] 71 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Yep, just like slack, spotify, and anything else looking fancy while wasting few gigs of ram to just open. They're built on electron, which is practically chrome without tabs.

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    [–] 56 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Mozilla doesn't make it as easy to use the Firefox / Gecko engine in other projects, which doesn't help for adoption.

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    [–] 49 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Firefox is kept alive by Google default search money AFAIK otherwise why don't they sue google for showing different search results page in firefox

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    [–] 48 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    wait, the steam browser is chromium? no way

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    [–] 44 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    I just wish Mozilla didn't just tread Gecko as part of Firefox, the few who tried developing on it came to the conclusion that it's not sustainable if the engines developer doesn't give a fuck about you! :/

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    [–] 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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    [–] 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It gets worse. All Electron applications are Chromium, too.

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    [–] 29 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Firefox user since before it was called Firefox.

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    [–] 27 points 2 years ago

    But... but... it's an open-source...

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Edge wasn’t always chromium. It was their own engine and it was great, but too many people complained essentially that it wasn’t chromium so they switched to chromium.

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    [–] 26 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    Safari still uses the WebKit engine... right?

    Google Chrome used to use WebKit before switching to their own weird engine that a whole bunch of other browsers now use.

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    [–] 26 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Be sure to install AdNauseam on your Firefox to really go full "fuck you" to google.

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