cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/49853131

Feels to me like GrapheneOS did exactly what it should, passing the US border test with flying colours!

Funny part about this lawsuit: “With a little planning ahead of time, you can always download the data you need once you get to where you’re going,”

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[–] 12 points 1 day ago (1 child)

This whole situation is making me strongly consider bringing a burner phone on my next vacation. That way I can wipe it before going through customs.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago*

    I did something similar when I last visited the US ~15 years ago. I uploaded an encrypted backup of my phone to a server in my home country and reset the device. I then downloaded and restored the backup when I arrived at the hotel.

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  • Sounds like the border guard wiped his phone, not him.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago

    „I think this case serves as a reminder that authorities may argue you knowingly destroyed data, so it’s better to not have that data on you when you cross certain borders.” Wow that’s an advice fitting entering Russia, Iran, etc. Nice club you’ve joined here

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    „unlawful to knowingly destroy or damage property to prevent authorities from seizing it” - but did it fucking explode, catch on fire, or blew some fuse on the phone or in any other way prevented it from working? No, they (not him) just wiped the data. I didn’t know deleting files off YOUR OWN DEVICE is a crime. I need to think twice before I empty trash on my computer next time.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 day ago (11 children)

    why are they so concerned about what you OWN

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Can't control people without controlling things. And vice versa.

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    [–] 4 points 1 day ago

    I just heard about this yesterday and it's very interesting and fascinating to me, how the duress PIN worked if a situation like this arose. I cannot think that GrapheneOS team for implementing such a feature. Lowkey want the team's input on this. 🥰

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  • [–] 26 points 2 days ago

    Yeah I wonder what the penalty is for doing something legal with something you own.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    Would be cool to have your device partitioned by separate passwords, so you could unlock a dummy system.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 days ago

    yes you can. On Graphene you can set the main profile as just there with nothing except to control wifi/add esim/etc. Then you can create many profiles with their own passwords. You can store your work stuff in 1 profile, private stuff in another. You can even create a dummy profile with fake Google. .

    The downside currently is that the OS autoboot to main profile. Then you switch to your other profiles.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    GrapheneOS - the only OS that i just installed and forget about it. Sure i spend time to tweak things like profiles but thats it.

    And I am a distro and rom hopper.

    The security model is that good: duress pin, scrambled pin, separate profiles with their own passwords, usb c restriction (you can set it charge only, charge while phone is off (most secure state).

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    [–] 64 points 2 days ago* (3 children)

    claimed they did not need a warrant to search Tunick’s phone because he had not yet crossed the U.S. border.

    Also no right to search / seize his phone then. US law doesn't apply on non-US soil.

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    [–] 24 points 2 days ago (7 children)

    What? US police can ask you for the phone password? No way! That is 100% police state. Stalin was amateur comparing to present day USA.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Yes US citizens cannot be compelled to provide a password, but biometrics such as fingerprint or Face ID can. Disable these when crossing into the US.

    Non citizens can be detained and rejected for not providing access to a device via password. Best to bring a second device if you must enter. Depressing times.

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  • [–] 1 point 17 hours ago

    Non citizens can be detained and rejected for not providing access to a device via password. Best to bring a second device if you must enter. Depressing times.

    Or simply do not go to the US and let them to rot in their own madness

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    [–] 164 points 3 days ago (20 children)

    this was a streisand effect for me because i didn't have duress password set up on my grapheneos phone (security & privacy => device unlock) before but i do now! :D

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    [–] 13 points 2 days ago* (2 children)

    He would have had a lot better legal leg to stand on I think if he had just refused to give them any passcode. Now instead of a potential case of being forced to compel speech, he is facing what will be argued is an attempt to destroy evidence. His defense is probably a lot stronger with the former than the latter.

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  • [–] 137 points 3 days ago* (21 children)

    Perfectly legal. Unless they were legally charged and ordered by a court to preserve data considered to be used in a crime, they can't be charged with shit. Cops don't dictate this, courts do, AND that scope only applies to an active prosecution anyway.

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    [–] 117 points 3 days ago (18 children)

    This is why I'm never going to the US until all this shit is fixed. Which will probably be never

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    [–] 73 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Good.

    That's legal, fuck you. It's my data, and I want it (gone) now!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago*

    Its good if the courts hold that sentiment up in his favor.

    If they don't and take the border patrols side in this case then this just sets a horrific precedent for the future.

    I hope the feds get raked over the coals in this court case and not only loose but get the dog shit sued out of them for this stunt.

    I'm not optimistic anymore though.

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