Man & Mouse (lemmy.world)
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[–] 8 points 3 days ago

Nah they just eat each other alive, far more civil

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  • [–] 98 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    I have seen mice eat each other alive. I’m 100% sure they would build a mousetrap

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  • [–] 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    I'm pretty sure they just do when starved? Maybe a target opportunity if it's dead, but I'm curious how you've seen this?

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  • [–] 20 points 5 days ago (3 children)
  • An alternative view point : https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v47/n13/jon-day/the-beautiful-ones

    The accuracy of Calhoun’s observations about rat sociology, still less their relevance to human society, remains a matter of debate. Even at the time he was criticised for the methodologies of his experiments (one colleague at NIMH told him that ‘there are so many variables in your research that you can’t possibly draw any conclusions about anything’).

    Many of the behaviours he considered ‘aberrant’ – cannibalism, aggression, homosexual mating – are not uncommon in rodent society. As both books acknowledge, his experiments have never been successfully replicated by other researchers, and wild colonies of rats don’t seem to display any of the personality types he so vividly described. He rarely published in mainstream scientific journals, saying that his concerns were so pressing that he didn’t have time to wait for peer review.

    It seems plausible that Calhoun was responsible for creating the conditions for population collapse. He only cleaned out Universe 25 every six to eight weeks; disease and parasitism could account for many of the phenomena he thought were due to mere proximity. It can’t have helped that, other than the ladders and ramps, the Universes didn’t provide much in the way of stimulation. Calhoun thought of his rat cities as utopias, but they seem more like well-stocked prisons. No wonder they didn’t bring out the best in the inmates.

    I generally raise eye brows any time the dangers of overpopulation come up, as it always a concern of eugenicists. These sorts of research studies are constantly looking for data that confirms beliefs they already held, and they never want to look any further in what the root causes are. The foregone conclusion is always demanding population control, followed with the healthy dose of "I'm just asking questions!".

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  • [–] 9 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    Keep pet mice for long enough and you'll witness cannibalism.

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  • [–] 74 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    The quote actually originated from a German aphorist named Werner Mitsch (1936–2009).

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  • [–] 17 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    People would do that? Go on the internet and tell lies?
    - Albert Einstein

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  • [–] 41 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    Is there anything more pathetic than falsely attributing a banal quotation you like to Albert Einstein so people on the internet take it more seriously.

    This one's been doing the rounds for years but there's a bunch

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago

    Mice absolutely would build a mouse trap if they could lmao

    Here's an aphorism for you: humans are the only species with the requisite knowledge to build the atomic bomb, and the good sense to know when to quit using it

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  • [–] 22 points 5 days ago

    Only because they can't.

    I've kept mice, they would absolutely build a mouse trap if they could. They are cold, vicious little jerks.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    But one day they might have tiny little guns

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  • [–] 12 points 5 days ago

    Well duh, they are too stupid for that.

    They will definitely kill the other mouse if that means they'll survive instead.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    We confirmed this quote? I dont wanna be a dick, but I am a dick. Just asking.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    I did, it's 100% true. He wrote it in his diary it in 1953 after attending the original Barbenhainer screenings.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago*

    Let's normalize categorizing this sort of behavior as non-dickish. Now, more than ever, and especially on the internet, we should be questioning everything we see. We must stop passively ingesting everything we see on the internet as fact. So good on you for questioning.

    edit: grammar

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  • [–] 8 points 5 days ago

    And that man's name? Albert Einstein (maybe)

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  • [–] 8 points 5 days ago

    Bro hasn’t watched five minutes of discovery channel.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 days ago

    I can confirm this, I was the singular stone Albert always carried around.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago

    If they were smart enough they would. Keep the competition out of their building. Too many mice running around and the exterminators gets called. One smart mouse and they'll hardly even notice.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 days ago

    Animals with enough to eat and space to roam are less likely to act aggressively. Humans are animals.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    Given the OpenAI/HuggingFace Agentic AI breaking loose and diagnostics to find it, this seems to frame our direction right now. We seem to be barreling ahead into making our own mantrap.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 days ago* (1 child)

    That was just an advertisement for the AI companies. I'm surprised the media aired it. Well,... not surprised. It's the media.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 days ago

    A fake quote about traps and putting a hair on the image is a nice self reference to what this really is.

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