Discord Alternatives

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  • Beginning with a phased global rollout to new and existing users in early March, users may be required to engage in an age-verification process to change certain settings or access sensitive content. This includes age-restricted channels, servers, or commands and select message requests.

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    [–] 329 points 6 months ago (26 children)

    I hope that discourages open source projects and similar communities from using discord as forum / user support.

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  • [–] 52 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

    I can say as a member of the PCSX2 project that I understand why we and other FOSS emulators use it as official support – but nevertheless wish that we didn't. We've discussed practicalities before, and the project doesn't stay there just from inertia or because of personal preference; there are major practical reasons to prefer it over a forum (which we have), a wiki (which we have), or Matrix.

    I'd be willing to endure the pain points and to scale back support in order to be off of that shithole, but I also get that's a fringe minority sentiment shared by only a couple others. All of us would be tech-literate enough to use a client like Signal or Element for intra-project discussion, but very few people would come to Matrix for support (nor would we probably want them to due to the much greater moderation burden per end user), and the chatroom model – to most of us – is much easier for support than a forum. The only reason I'm still begrudgingly on Discord is for PCSX2.

    I share your hope, but I seriously doubt this will come even close to dislodging us. Smaller projects, perhaps.

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    [–] 96 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (21 children)

    Discord genuinely thinks they got the users by the balls... Thing is, people move platforms extremely easily. It happened to MSN Messenger, it happened to Skype, and it'll happen to Discord too.

    For those who are looking for something very similar, look at Stoat (formerly known as Revolt). Their URL is https://stoat.chat/.

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  • [–] 86 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    One problem will be that there are way too goddamn many software projects that use Discord as a shitty replacement for a blog and documentation, and they’re gonna be a pain to move to proper content platforms.

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  • [–] 53 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    Sometimes the only way thru is shitty. And those devs might have to learn the hard way not to overcentralize- or to not use a damn chat software for what is way more suited to forums.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    "Look, Discord requires me to upload a pic of my face or ID, to which i can't legally agree to. Please provide another channel or i can't contribute."

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago

    That’ll work for individual users, but getting all that chat history out will be a problem for the owners once the users dry up.

    And I’m sure Discord will do their best to make it impossible.

    Serves them right for picking chat software in the first place, let alone one they don’t control.

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    They absolutely have their users by the balls and I guarantee most people will continue to use the app after this, unfortunately.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, my group of friends will be very resistant to moving away from discord. They're all aware of the issues with it, but It's too convenient of a platform. Personally, I will give up most of the comforts to not be under the thumb of a corporation, but I'm an outlier in my friend group with that perspective.

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Mass migration like that occurs (from my memory at least) when the newer alternative has much better functionality, performance, and ease of use compared to the status quo service and has a low barrier to entry (sign up is quick and straightforward). Do any of the decentralized Discord alternatives fit these criteria (honest question, not rhetorical)?

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

    Well, Stoat has the same features as Discord, including many premium ones for free, the ability to write HTML/CSS for your own server, with the only thing missing being video feed. Otherwise, it functions the same while being much faster.

    Also sign up is very quick, but right now they're getting hugged to death, so sign up emails might take a while to arrive.

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    Guess I’m not using discord anymore lol

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  • [–] 63 points 6 months ago

    Didn't they just get busted for leaking their verification data that they totally weren't keeping?

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  • [–] 56 points 6 months ago* (6 children)

    You know what doesn't require full face scan? irc

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    [–] 45 points 6 months ago

    I love how photo-based age verification scanning is the worst of both worlds - it destroys your anonymity, but not in a way that makes it easier to run a community where you can ban a person by their digital ID since they can just make a new one with the same face since facial recognition is too crude for that.

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  • [–] 45 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    I refuse to verify my age with a face scan or government ID for an online account/profile.. It's too easy to imagine how fucked up that will go.

    The more I delete profiles to platforms with unwanted disturbing features the more recluse I become. It must look to acquaintances that I don't care to speak (to them) but what can I do? I cannot imagine convincing even computer-literate friends to switch to something - as they will have the same problem.

    Do I need to retire my Discord gaming server before I'm locked out of controlling it?

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  • [–] 40 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Seriously, like, actually seriously, I want to believe that this time everyone will leave Discord, and not just a small group of weirdos like us who “care about privacy” and ended up on Lemmy.

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    [–] 38 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Age assurance is the foundation of this new experience and is designed to respect Discord users’ privacy and choice. Discord users can choose to use facial age estimation or submit a form of identification to its vendor partners, with more options coming in the future. Additionally, Discord will implement its age inference model, a new system that runs in the background to help determine whether an account belongs to an adult, without always requiring users to verify their age. Some users may be asked to use multiple methods if more information is needed to assign an age group.

    Key privacy protections of Discord’s age-assurance approach include:

    • On-device processing: Video selfies for facial age estimation never leave a user’s device.
    • Quick deletion: Identity documents submitted to our vendor partners are deleted quickly— in most cases, immediately after age confirmation.
    • Straightforward verification: In most cases, users complete the process once and their Discord experience adapts to their verified age group. Users may be asked to use multiple methods only when more information is needed to assign an age group.
    • Private status: A user’s age verification status cannot be seen by other users. 

    After completing a chosen method, users will receive confirmation via a direct message from Discord’s official account. A user’s assigned age group can also be viewed at any time in “My Account” settings. Users can always go to “My Account” settings to appeal their assigned age group by retrying the process. Discord prompts users to age-assure only within Discord and currently does not send emails or text messages about its age assurance process or results.

    Not happy with the face-scanning either way. Gonna have a chat with some of my personal groups about how we might move forward.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Discord is going to be the age-verification-service for gaming, if they can get laws to follow fast enough.
    They have the gaming community, they have chats/friends/DMs/VoIP.
    If they release a dev toolkit that implements in-game chat, in-game VoIP, friends list and age verification... All while not being tied to steam? Imagine if they offered a system for in-game purchases and gifting purchases to friends (oh yeh https://gam3s.gg/news/discord-adds-in-app-purchases-for-in-game-items/ )
    They are positioning themselves to offer a huge range of features, easy navigation of legal minefields, and no distribution-platform tie-in - while also offering out-of-game functionality of all of that (likely leading to player retention for games that leverage it properly).

    They are positioning themselves to be a market-leader/industry-standard for game social networks. Everyone that has ever used discord is the product they are selling, and they are now releasing the features and tools for companies to leverage that.

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    [–] 38 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Well, the day it asks me for ID/face scan is the day I delete my account. Their days are numbered.

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    [–] 28 points 6 months ago

    Yeah that’s a hard no from me. Want me to prove my ID? I want you to prove that you’re not gonna store it. History suggests otherwise.

    Not that I want to use your platform anyway.

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  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago

    Seeya ✌️

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago

    RIP Discord. Good riddance

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago

    It seems like the restriction should be lifted for accounts without verification after 5 years. After all, you're not even allowed to sign up if you're under 13, so by 5 years you have to be at least 18.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago*

    Unless they trade me a face scan of each Discord employee and member, I'm out. Enough is enough, nothing is free.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    "Content filtering" is just corporate jargon for subjective censorship, dynamically and discriminately restricting access to knowledge. I abhor all censorship.

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    [–] 23 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    My group has been tinkering with matrix but the ecosystem is such a mess that I think we'll be going to xmpp-based solutions, and once the kinks are ironed out, migrating it to i2p

    Not to go all conspiracy-nut, but it feels like the net (at least the social spaces) is decaying, and it feels intentional / coordinated.

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago

    Not to go all conspiracy-nut, but it feels like the net (at least the social spaces) is decaying, and it feels intentional / coordinated.

    At this point, I don't think it's conspiracy-nut to say this. We have a group of tech oligarchs in the US who are openly collaborating with a fascist administration. It is a conspiracy and this kinda shit is the result.

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    [–] 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    EXTREMELY INVASIVE SURVEILLANCE OPERATIONS ARE NOW PUT IN PLACE FOR you to have a better sense of community and meaningful communication <3

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    [–] 13 points 6 months ago* (6 children)

    What alternative should we all switch to?

    Also thinking AI fake IDs will end up being an easy way around this.

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    [–] 12 points 6 months ago

    Has Discord itself already proven that it is >18?

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago

    Well FU Discord. Over my dead body

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Discord was always an overhyped crap.

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    [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    Thanks for the reminder to delete my account!

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