cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/59469059

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[–] 388 points 6 months ago (8 children)

To make this clear: Patreon is a platform mainly used by creators, artists, musicians to get a reliable income directly from their fans. Apple is trying to steal 30% of the income of our favorite artists.

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  • [–] 121 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Good thing none of us have iPhones here, right, guys? Right?

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Been locked in this ecosystem for a while guys. I'm not proud of it.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    It’s better than the alternatives, unfortunately. I really want to dump Apple; the products are waning in quality and the company is spending a lot of time genuflecting for king tangerine. But it just works.

    “Just install grapheneOS” my brother in Christ, I have no time or interest in fucking up with the primary communication device I rely on to reach family, friends, and work. I don’t have time for the hobbies I want to do let alone adding work-adjacent activities under the cloak of a hobby.

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    [–] 212 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (40 children)

    Why does Apple feel they deserve a 30% cut? In cases like this, Apple aren't providing any value at all.

    • Apple aren't providing the content - the creator is.
    • Apple aren't providing a platform for the content - Patreon is.
    • Apple aren't providing a platform for discovery - people aren't finding Patreon creators solely via Apple products.

    Sure, Apple are providing a payments platform, but why do they deserve 10x what Stripe charges?

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  • [–] 100 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    It's just platform-milking, just like Meetup.com's latest antics; there isn't deep analysis needed to everything, haha. "Capitalism" is totally a legitimate answer despite being just one word.

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  • [–] 40 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    They were sued by Epic Games for the same shit and Epic won on one count which allows them to put links to alternative payment methods and go around Apple.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games_v._Apple

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    [–] 119 points 6 months ago* (9 children)

    I hope Patreon will just switch off the ability to pay through the iOS app, along with a nice fuck you-message to Apple that pops up when you first open the app

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    [–] 84 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    That’s how the system works. You don’t expect Walmart to not get a commission when you sell something at their store.

    30% is reasonable. DEAL WITH IT.

    Don’t like it? Make your own phone and platform.

    Opening up the comments on macrumors never disappoints me :)

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    [–] 76 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    What exactly does Apple think that they're brining to the equation in order to deserve that 30? Is it simply that they're hosting an app on their store, so therefore they're entitled to a cut?

    So if I write a novel, and get it published, Microsoft can say "We deserve 30% because you used our product to produce your product?

    I'm so fucking tired of corporations. It's well past guillotine-o-clock.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago* (10 children)

    What exactly does Apple think that they’re brining to the equation in order to deserve that 30?

    Because Valve can and Tim wants his yachts. No one is gonna stop em either. The App Store and Steam are the same thing: Store fronts that sell other peoples goods. You may say that Steam is just an app—don't tell me, tell your representatives

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    [–] 75 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    To follow this logic: if you use an e-banking app, Apple will soon claim to be entitled to 30% of all transactions. Same for paypal, ebay, you name it

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    [–] 64 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    Why isn't Apple trying to take 30% of all purchases through the Amazon app? Or eBay? Or your local grocery delivery? It's the same exact thing. Such a stupid greedy fucking attempt

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    [–] 54 points 6 months ago

    Tim Cook needs more money to forge golden offerings for his good pal Donald trump.

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  • [–] 52 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    If I was on Patreon I'd tell them to pull the app. Fuck em they have a website.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    Right? You'd think Patreon would throw their weight against Apple, as this is clearly not in their best interest. Threaten to pull the app, and if Apple follows through, they get nothing. Alternatively, move payments entirely outside of the app and force Apple to either do something which is guaranteed to be extremely unpopular, or call their bluff. But they won't do these things or even try to negotiate Apple's cut.

    Apple may appear to swing the biggest dick here, but I am so disgusted by these weak companies just immediately bending over without a fight.

    As always, it's the creators who will be faced with hardship, but neither entity seems to give a shit.

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    [–] 52 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I fucking hate mega corps. It's never fucking enough... Ever... Apple has more money than some countries yet these assholes want ever more....

    Tax all these assholes into oblivion!

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    [–] 47 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It's wild that Steam is getting a class action lawsuit for charging 30% right now, and Apple doing shit like this at the same percentage and legally is getting a free pass.

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  • [–] 38 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Just crank all iOS user payments up by 30%, explain why, and let nature sort itself out.

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Apple doesn't allow this - they expect your price to be the same everywhere or they'll remove the app from their store or decline version updates. There have historically been a few high profile exceptions privately negotiated, and I think they were forced to relax this in the last year or two, but here they are again trying to claw away money they did literally nothing to earn.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Patreon gives creators the option to either increase their prices in the iOS app only, or absorb the fee themselves, keeping prices the same across platforms.

    It's already an option and if you read the article, only 4% are still on the legacy billing system (no Apple tax at all)

    iOS users using a browser don't pay the Apple Tax. And the only reason to pay through the app is if you specifically want to use Apple Pay (e.g to pay with your phone bill instead of your credit card).

    At this point it's a "stupid tax" more than anything.

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    [–] 35 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Think. Of. The. Shareholders.

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    [–] 30 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Terribly need degoogled android to become popular and/or a normal Linux distribution phone to become popular so that normal Linux market share couldn’t be ignored

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    [–] 29 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I had no idea Apple was so desperate for money

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    [–] 24 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    So, all business is becoming a protection racket?

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    [–] 23 points 5 months ago

    Gotta recoup all those fascist donations

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago

    I didn't even know there was a Patreon app. I signed up through the website. On a computer. Old school.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Fuck patron. Fuck you Tim Apple. Fuck you both

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    [–] 19 points 5 months ago

    Luckily I’m about to switch to graphene OS soon. I’ll be forced to make a bunch of changes to choices I made out of convenience in the past

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago

    Technofeudalism.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Timmy Cook is just a bean counter. He's got nothing to innovate or build. That's Apple has been buying back shares non stop. Their lead designer jumped ship a while ago. It's only a matter of time.

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    [+] 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (11 children)
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    [–] 15 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Choose another payment method. Choose another platform - web based? - where these fees don't apply. Hell, buy a throwaway droid phone to keep your money from apple's greedy hands.

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    [–] 15 points 5 months ago*

    kinda like how youtube takes massive cut of ad revenue, which is why they switch to patreon, brand deal and promotions. 30% is pretty steep for small content creators, that isnt peddling right wing grifting.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago*

    These Silicon Valley parasites are taking way more than a fair share. Every industry is Consolidated and the few gatekeeping corporations left take more than their fair share that is the entire problem. Capitalism does not work without controls. Never has, never will. This absolute free market talk has always been ad hoc, to further the business interests of those making the arguments.

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