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[+] dinckelman@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] daqqad@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Not many Android options out there. Basically just pixel or oneplus. Oneplus is dead to me until they bring back wireless charging and pixel is a trash phone with endless bugs and garbage battery life. Samsung ruined excellent hardware with garbage software with ads and bloat ware. So anyway, if OP bring wireless charging back in next generation, I'll tolerate a few non removable apps to use a phone that actually lasts all day and has working Bluetooth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (4 children) Nah, Samsung didn't ruin their phones, carriers in the US did. Don't have any of that bloatware or ads on em down here in Australia. That being said, there are other reasons to avoid Samsung... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] Ragerist@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago They still do their bloated framework and launcher outside the US. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Skimmer@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Not all of it is carrier related. I had an S21 unlocked (from US) and it still included Facebook and their garbage services, Netflix, OneDrive, etc. Also all of Samsung's first party bloatware and nonsense is prevalent regardless. Not to mention Samsung selling data and their tracking, crippling your phone if you root it or install a custom OS (and in the US outright preventing it entirely), etc. Can't recommend them or their phones at all, but its unfortunate because they have great hardware, just terrible software. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Yeah, that wasn't my experience in Australia. Every Samsung I ever had had google apps and Samsung apps preinstalled. None of the rest. And all those baked in apps were easily disabled if they couldn't be deleted (I couldn't delete YouTube, but I could disable it so I could run Vanced and not have the normal YouTube app be the default). I suspect that even though you bought a unlocked phone, it came with a bunch of shit baked in cos you are in the US. There's a lot of shit that is copacetic there (more generally speaking than just phone related) that doesn't fly in the rest of the world. As I said, there are other reasons not to use Samsung devices, but all these stories I've gotten in this thread have not matched up with the experience I had in over 7yrs. permalink fedilink source parent [+] dinckelman@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [β] limerod@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Samsung phones do have bloatware. These meta services are for one, appcloud. The galaxy store trying to push the deals and news consent wherever it gets launched. The lockscreen glance service. It can be worse. But samsung is not a saint you make it to be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I literally said there were other reasons not to choose Samsung, I'm not making them out to be a saint. And I have literally had none of the issues you've described with the Samsung's I've had in Australia. permalink fedilink source parent [β] JackOfAllTraits@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Fairphone got you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [β] luna@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Haven't had any issues with GrapheneOS on Pixel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] daqqad@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago GOS cuts out the few reasons to even use pixel like call screening and Google camera. I hate Google as much as the next guy, but giving them money and then severely disabling your phone to avoid their services makes no sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] daqqad@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Not many Android options out there. Basically just pixel or oneplus. Oneplus is dead to me until they bring back wireless charging and pixel is a trash phone with endless bugs and garbage battery life. Samsung ruined excellent hardware with garbage software with ads and bloat ware. So anyway, if OP bring wireless charging back in next generation, I'll tolerate a few non removable apps to use a phone that actually lasts all day and has working Bluetooth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (4 children) Nah, Samsung didn't ruin their phones, carriers in the US did. Don't have any of that bloatware or ads on em down here in Australia. That being said, there are other reasons to avoid Samsung... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] Ragerist@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago They still do their bloated framework and launcher outside the US. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Skimmer@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Not all of it is carrier related. I had an S21 unlocked (from US) and it still included Facebook and their garbage services, Netflix, OneDrive, etc. Also all of Samsung's first party bloatware and nonsense is prevalent regardless. Not to mention Samsung selling data and their tracking, crippling your phone if you root it or install a custom OS (and in the US outright preventing it entirely), etc. Can't recommend them or their phones at all, but its unfortunate because they have great hardware, just terrible software. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Yeah, that wasn't my experience in Australia. Every Samsung I ever had had google apps and Samsung apps preinstalled. None of the rest. And all those baked in apps were easily disabled if they couldn't be deleted (I couldn't delete YouTube, but I could disable it so I could run Vanced and not have the normal YouTube app be the default). I suspect that even though you bought a unlocked phone, it came with a bunch of shit baked in cos you are in the US. There's a lot of shit that is copacetic there (more generally speaking than just phone related) that doesn't fly in the rest of the world. As I said, there are other reasons not to use Samsung devices, but all these stories I've gotten in this thread have not matched up with the experience I had in over 7yrs. permalink fedilink source parent [+] dinckelman@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [β] limerod@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Samsung phones do have bloatware. These meta services are for one, appcloud. The galaxy store trying to push the deals and news consent wherever it gets launched. The lockscreen glance service. It can be worse. But samsung is not a saint you make it to be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I literally said there were other reasons not to choose Samsung, I'm not making them out to be a saint. And I have literally had none of the issues you've described with the Samsung's I've had in Australia. permalink fedilink source parent [β] JackOfAllTraits@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Fairphone got you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [β] luna@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Haven't had any issues with GrapheneOS on Pixel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] daqqad@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago GOS cuts out the few reasons to even use pixel like call screening and Google camera. I hate Google as much as the next guy, but giving them money and then severely disabling your phone to avoid their services makes no sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (4 children) Nah, Samsung didn't ruin their phones, carriers in the US did. Don't have any of that bloatware or ads on em down here in Australia. That being said, there are other reasons to avoid Samsung... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] Ragerist@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago They still do their bloated framework and launcher outside the US. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Skimmer@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Not all of it is carrier related. I had an S21 unlocked (from US) and it still included Facebook and their garbage services, Netflix, OneDrive, etc. Also all of Samsung's first party bloatware and nonsense is prevalent regardless. Not to mention Samsung selling data and their tracking, crippling your phone if you root it or install a custom OS (and in the US outright preventing it entirely), etc. Can't recommend them or their phones at all, but its unfortunate because they have great hardware, just terrible software. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Yeah, that wasn't my experience in Australia. Every Samsung I ever had had google apps and Samsung apps preinstalled. None of the rest. And all those baked in apps were easily disabled if they couldn't be deleted (I couldn't delete YouTube, but I could disable it so I could run Vanced and not have the normal YouTube app be the default). I suspect that even though you bought a unlocked phone, it came with a bunch of shit baked in cos you are in the US. There's a lot of shit that is copacetic there (more generally speaking than just phone related) that doesn't fly in the rest of the world. As I said, there are other reasons not to use Samsung devices, but all these stories I've gotten in this thread have not matched up with the experience I had in over 7yrs. permalink fedilink source parent [+] dinckelman@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [β] limerod@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Samsung phones do have bloatware. These meta services are for one, appcloud. The galaxy store trying to push the deals and news consent wherever it gets launched. The lockscreen glance service. It can be worse. But samsung is not a saint you make it to be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I literally said there were other reasons not to choose Samsung, I'm not making them out to be a saint. And I have literally had none of the issues you've described with the Samsung's I've had in Australia. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Ragerist@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago They still do their bloated framework and launcher outside the US. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Skimmer@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Not all of it is carrier related. I had an S21 unlocked (from US) and it still included Facebook and their garbage services, Netflix, OneDrive, etc. Also all of Samsung's first party bloatware and nonsense is prevalent regardless. Not to mention Samsung selling data and their tracking, crippling your phone if you root it or install a custom OS (and in the US outright preventing it entirely), etc. Can't recommend them or their phones at all, but its unfortunate because they have great hardware, just terrible software. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Yeah, that wasn't my experience in Australia. Every Samsung I ever had had google apps and Samsung apps preinstalled. None of the rest. And all those baked in apps were easily disabled if they couldn't be deleted (I couldn't delete YouTube, but I could disable it so I could run Vanced and not have the normal YouTube app be the default). I suspect that even though you bought a unlocked phone, it came with a bunch of shit baked in cos you are in the US. There's a lot of shit that is copacetic there (more generally speaking than just phone related) that doesn't fly in the rest of the world. As I said, there are other reasons not to use Samsung devices, but all these stories I've gotten in this thread have not matched up with the experience I had in over 7yrs. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Yeah, that wasn't my experience in Australia. Every Samsung I ever had had google apps and Samsung apps preinstalled. None of the rest. And all those baked in apps were easily disabled if they couldn't be deleted (I couldn't delete YouTube, but I could disable it so I could run Vanced and not have the normal YouTube app be the default). I suspect that even though you bought a unlocked phone, it came with a bunch of shit baked in cos you are in the US. There's a lot of shit that is copacetic there (more generally speaking than just phone related) that doesn't fly in the rest of the world. As I said, there are other reasons not to use Samsung devices, but all these stories I've gotten in this thread have not matched up with the experience I had in over 7yrs. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] dinckelman@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[β] limerod@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Samsung phones do have bloatware. These meta services are for one, appcloud. The galaxy store trying to push the deals and news consent wherever it gets launched. The lockscreen glance service. It can be worse. But samsung is not a saint you make it to be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I literally said there were other reasons not to choose Samsung, I'm not making them out to be a saint. And I have literally had none of the issues you've described with the Samsung's I've had in Australia. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I literally said there were other reasons not to choose Samsung, I'm not making them out to be a saint. And I have literally had none of the issues you've described with the Samsung's I've had in Australia. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] JackOfAllTraits@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Fairphone got you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[β] luna@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Haven't had any issues with GrapheneOS on Pixel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] daqqad@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago GOS cuts out the few reasons to even use pixel like call screening and Google camera. I hate Google as much as the next guy, but giving them money and then severely disabling your phone to avoid their services makes no sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] daqqad@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago GOS cuts out the few reasons to even use pixel like call screening and Google camera. I hate Google as much as the next guy, but giving them money and then severely disabling your phone to avoid their services makes no sense to me. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (3 children) God, I hate Facebook and Meta. Their preinstalled & unremovable apps are why I refuse to buy a Samsung phone and now I guess I'll never buy a OnePlus. Don't put garbage third-party apps on phones that people can't remove. It's infuriating permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] ExLisper@linux.community 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) My GF bought Samsung phone couple of weeks ago and all the apps were removable (as in you could uninstall, not just hide). They have different version of the OS for different markets, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] limerod@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) You can remove Facebook the app itself. But, you can not remove the services, installer app, or the manager app. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] ExLisper@linux.community 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) And this is what does the tracking? Or just occupies space? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] limerod@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago If it's Facebook, I'm afraid it does all of it. permalink fedilink source parent [β] amelia@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Huh, I don't have that on my S22 permalink fedilink source parent [β] people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago +1 permalink fedilink source parent [β] keyez@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Samsungs unlocked non carrier devices don't come with these apps, FYI to those reading the thread. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] KrapKake@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Still can't unlock the bootloader on Samdung phones in North America even if carrier unlocked. So that is a non-starter for custom ROMs. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] ExLisper@linux.community 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) My GF bought Samsung phone couple of weeks ago and all the apps were removable (as in you could uninstall, not just hide). They have different version of the OS for different markets, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] limerod@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) You can remove Facebook the app itself. But, you can not remove the services, installer app, or the manager app. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] ExLisper@linux.community 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) And this is what does the tracking? Or just occupies space? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] limerod@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago If it's Facebook, I'm afraid it does all of it. permalink fedilink source parent [β] amelia@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Huh, I don't have that on my S22 permalink fedilink source parent
[β] limerod@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) You can remove Facebook the app itself. But, you can not remove the services, installer app, or the manager app. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] ExLisper@linux.community 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) And this is what does the tracking? Or just occupies space? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] limerod@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago If it's Facebook, I'm afraid it does all of it. permalink fedilink source parent [β] amelia@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Huh, I don't have that on my S22 permalink fedilink source parent
[β] ExLisper@linux.community 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) And this is what does the tracking? Or just occupies space? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] limerod@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago If it's Facebook, I'm afraid it does all of it. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] limerod@reddthat.com 2 points 2 years ago If it's Facebook, I'm afraid it does all of it. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] amelia@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Huh, I don't have that on my S22 permalink fedilink source parent
[β] keyez@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Samsungs unlocked non carrier devices don't come with these apps, FYI to those reading the thread. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] KrapKake@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Still can't unlock the bootloader on Samdung phones in North America even if carrier unlocked. So that is a non-starter for custom ROMs. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] KrapKake@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Still can't unlock the bootloader on Samdung phones in North America even if carrier unlocked. So that is a non-starter for custom ROMs. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) If not buying a phone that comes with these preinstalled wasn't the first option you picked, then ADB is your friend. Install Android Platform Tools on your PC Enable USB debugging in Androids' developer options Connect phone to PC via USB Open terminal, type adb devices Authorize the connection from your phone Type adb shell, and now you can wreak havoc on your phone so only continue if you know what the hell you're doing To uninstall an app, type pm uninstall --user 0 *package name* For example, pm uninstall --user 0 com.facebook.services Should you uninstall something by accident, you can reinstall by using cmd package install-existing *package name* permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] ximtor@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Note: if you somehow manage to uninstall system packages you can't reinstall those (afaik). At least i ended up having to reset the phone twice while setting up and trying to change the default camera app. Not the worst on a new phone i guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago I guess I'll file this under only proceed if you know what you're doing I removed a package that was needed for the sim card to function once. Didn't remember what that package was, because I just went to town without documenting what packages I uninstalled. That's a learning experience right there permalink fedilink source parent [β] chahk@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) This only disables these packages. Any OTA update re-enables them, and you have to re-disable them again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago It does uninstall them completely. However, the installation files are still there for the system to use. A factory reset for example wouldn't work the way it's intended to otherwise. Though I don't know about how updates behave in that instance, so that sounds annoying if it's like this. permalink fedilink source parent [β] timo_timboo_@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd also recommend the universal android debloater. makes the whole process quite easy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago True, I always forget that exists permalink fedilink source parent
[β] ximtor@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Note: if you somehow manage to uninstall system packages you can't reinstall those (afaik). At least i ended up having to reset the phone twice while setting up and trying to change the default camera app. Not the worst on a new phone i guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago I guess I'll file this under only proceed if you know what you're doing I removed a package that was needed for the sim card to function once. Didn't remember what that package was, because I just went to town without documenting what packages I uninstalled. That's a learning experience right there permalink fedilink source parent
[β] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago I guess I'll file this under only proceed if you know what you're doing I removed a package that was needed for the sim card to function once. Didn't remember what that package was, because I just went to town without documenting what packages I uninstalled. That's a learning experience right there permalink fedilink source parent
[β] chahk@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) This only disables these packages. Any OTA update re-enables them, and you have to re-disable them again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago It does uninstall them completely. However, the installation files are still there for the system to use. A factory reset for example wouldn't work the way it's intended to otherwise. Though I don't know about how updates behave in that instance, so that sounds annoying if it's like this. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago It does uninstall them completely. However, the installation files are still there for the system to use. A factory reset for example wouldn't work the way it's intended to otherwise. Though I don't know about how updates behave in that instance, so that sounds annoying if it's like this. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] timo_timboo_@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd also recommend the universal android debloater. makes the whole process quite easy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago True, I always forget that exists permalink fedilink source parent
[β] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago True, I always forget that exists permalink fedilink source parent
[β] swag_money@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) makes sense. OnePlus has been going downhill for years now permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) If I may ask, what would you be running if you had to pick today? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] swag_money@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Asus zenfone 9/10 i like the small form factor, 120hz refresh display, and most importantly h e a d p h o n e j a c k permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] NinjaTeensy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago 10 doesn't allow bootloader unlocking so I'd have a hard time recommending that with only 2 years of OS updates. Probably would have bought one otherwise permalink fedilink source parent [β] Takios@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago Personally I've been happy with the Nokia branded phones (manufactured by HMD Global). permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) If I may ask, what would you be running if you had to pick today? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] swag_money@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Asus zenfone 9/10 i like the small form factor, 120hz refresh display, and most importantly h e a d p h o n e j a c k permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] NinjaTeensy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago 10 doesn't allow bootloader unlocking so I'd have a hard time recommending that with only 2 years of OS updates. Probably would have bought one otherwise permalink fedilink source parent [β] Takios@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago Personally I've been happy with the Nokia branded phones (manufactured by HMD Global). permalink fedilink source parent
[β] swag_money@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Asus zenfone 9/10 i like the small form factor, 120hz refresh display, and most importantly h e a d p h o n e j a c k permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] NinjaTeensy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago 10 doesn't allow bootloader unlocking so I'd have a hard time recommending that with only 2 years of OS updates. Probably would have bought one otherwise permalink fedilink source parent
[β] NinjaTeensy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago 10 doesn't allow bootloader unlocking so I'd have a hard time recommending that with only 2 years of OS updates. Probably would have bought one otherwise permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Takios@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago Personally I've been happy with the Nokia branded phones (manufactured by HMD Global). permalink fedilink source parent
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