Roosevelt did great things for Americans while still being capitalist. The needle can be moved left without violent revolution.

"Both sides bad" is weak sauce.

What is the point of this meme? I feel like the only thing this can produce is people to not try to reform and improve the democratic party and take it over (like the tea party took over the republicans). Kind of like these "give up climate change it can't be stopped" posts that just benefits the big fossil fuels companies

This is a right-wing troll talking point. Don't listen to it.

Go to the Democratic primaries and move the party left. And then, no matter who gets the nomination, vote Dem in the general election. This is exactly what the nazis did to move the GOP to the right and it worked great for them, and it's something we can emulate.

While I mostly agree with this, I have one significant hurdle I am unable to overcome. What other choice do I have?

I can't stand most Democrats. They suck! But they are a far cry better than voting Republican. And voting for a third party feels like wasting my vote.

If there was a third party candidate that focused on climate change and social issues and had even the slightest chance of winning, I would vote for them in a second. Until then, I am stuck voting for the lesser of two evils.

If Zohran Mamdani gets elected and actually follows through with his campaign promises, this is factually incorrect. I am holding on to that last glimmer of hope.

you have no choice except this or violent revolt because your election system is garbage.

This is GOP propaganda

somebody said it nicely yesterday in a lemmy comment:

we need to capture the dems and turn them into a socialist party,
just like the fascists captured the reps and turned them into a nazi party

What the fuck are you talking about I've heard it a million fucking times already. Its all anti-Harris lefties talk about.

Having fun with the fascism we've got instead? Thanks for that BTW. Real good. Really makes me motivated to fight for my rights when my follow lefties keep empowering fascists through inaction in the most simplistic and basic fucking democratic function of going to a polling place and voting once every 4 years for the lib that'll beat the fascist.

I really wanna go fight ICE in hand to hand combat and get shot in the fucking face knowing this probably could have been prevented.

Also if you are going to complain that I'm not bagging on the centrist/liberal dems for losing because they refused to budge left: I fucking hate them too, you can both suck shit directly out of my asshole.

There's no way to win political power in the United States without the Democratic Party or the Republican Party.

Socialists and progressives will always have an easier time infiltrating the neoliberal Democratic Party over the fascist Republican Party.

The longer the fascists are in power the harder it will be remove them from power because they will change the rules to maintain power.

The optimal strategy remains to vote for neoliberals when the alternative is fascists because that is how to create time for socialists and progressives to primary neoliberals in the Democratic Party and win general elections.

This meme is a continuation of the accelerationism we saw during the 2024 election. It supports the fascist cause by attempting to sabotage leftist's best strategy and thus is pro-fascist. The user is prone to self-sabotage as they publicly admitted to not voting for Harris in 2024.

If a fascist drinks at your bar and you don't throw them out it's a fascist bar. If a fascist meme ends up in your community and you don't throw it your a fascist community.

I am reporting this meme. And you all should too. I'm sick of self-described leftists backstabing me and every other minority group they pretend to care about because they're mad about the 2016 election. I'm a trans, atheist, Jew. I'm close enough to the death camps for my liking thanks. You don't have to like the Democrats, I don't, but we do need to vote for them.

I refuse to go quietly. I refuse to tolerate memes that shrug at my right to exist and throw fuel to the fire in the hopes that the fascists kill everyone faster. That's not a real political position. It's black pilled bullshit and it can fuck off.

Hope that helps people stop tolerating this bullshit going forward.

They had their chance in 2016 to include Bernie Sanders, Democrats blew their chance by ditching Bernie.

We just witnessed an internal party takeover in the Republican party. What dumbass thinks the same couldn't possibly happen in the Democratic party?

You can do what the tea party did: capture a small enough portion of your voting base that covers the margin of victory (aka: the short hairs) and demand the party do your bidding.

Not true. It can be reformed the same way the republican party was deformed. By gutting it from the inside out and replacing all the dead weight.

Great way to logic. Let me try...

You cannot reform the United States of America because at it's core it is a capitalist and imperialist country that will always put corporate interests over human interests.

Oh shit, now the whole project is hopeless. Let me try again.

You cannot reform humanity because at it's core it is selfish and self-serving.

I guess we are all fucked. Or maybe we grow the fuck up and deal with the reality of what's in front of us and the work involved in making things better. If we can't reform the Democrats, then we have no chance in hell of shepherding a new party from nothing to national powerhouse without losing it to the same corrupting forces that hold the Democrats. Never-mind the realities of what it would take to take over the country with a third party in a first past the post system.

Well the other option is reforming the Republican Party. That seems harder.

Okay, one still should vote for a Democrat president. Because why would you vote for a more hostile government? Unless of course you want everything go-to shit but you should lead with your intention.

I think it can be ship of theseus'd, just replace all the key people in the party and keep the name.

FDR was a democrat, if it could go from that to what it is now, it can be turned back into a socialist party.

So let me guess. The solution is to vote for a 3rd party that has absolutely no presence in our federal government at all, hoping that magically one of their reps can become president and save the country, despite having absolutely no support within the federal government, at all? And we'll just all agree to pretend like they won't become susceptible to corporate interests as well so they can actually accrue enough money to start winning elections.

Ok, so enough of that stupid bullshit. Let's hop on back to reality.

In reality, we have to vote Democrat for the time being because WE JUST FOUND OUT WHAT FUCKING HAPPENS IF WE DON'T. Meanwhile, we hope that a 3rd party can get off its fucking ass and start winning local/state elections so they can start getting MORE THAN ZERO representatives in the House and Senate, so that someday they can actually have a real shot at running a candidate for president.

This meme is grade school level dogshit. It only serves to split the vote more on 3rd party candidates that can't win and ensure Republican control of our government for even longer. We don't live in fantasy land. 3rd parties can't recite magical incantations and gain control of our federal government. There's a really fucking long process for a road to the presidency for a 3rd party, and in the meantime, we fucking vote Democrat because HAVE WE FUCKING LEARNED NOTHING?

It's not the democratic party, it's the US itself that is rotten. The dem are just another manifestation of the issue.

I see your point, however, the Democratic party is not fascist. It does provide a clear difference from the GOP. Wether we like it or not, USA is a two party system. We need to be practical here, not ideological, or we just go fascist forever.

It may not be worth the effort to reform it, but claiming that it "can't" be reformed is asinine. A political party is not some higher order being, timeless and unchanging, nor even one with a fundamental permanent set of core tenants that all else springs from. It's a group of people with a bit of bureaucracy that influence and decide somewhat collectively on their shared goals. Of course that can change fundamentally.

In fact it has changed fundamentally in the not too distant past. Look at the Democratic party (and the Republican party) of the Jim Crow era compared to today. They essentially flipped to the other side of the political spectrum. It's absolutely not easy to change a party fundamentally and not quick to do so, either. Old minds are not easily swayed with the times. The primary way to change party ideals is through new minds and perspectives joining the party and the old ones leaving it. Generational change is slow AF but it does definitely happen. Concerted effort for young people with new ideals to join the party is the best way to induce this change. Again though, that is a lot of effort and takes times. The bigger he ship, the harder to steer. There are alternatives, all of which also take a ton of effort, probably a lot more effort really, but might be faster if it works out.

They've drifted so far right that I call them Republicrats, and y'all should too.

Corporate interests are human interests. They are the interests of the few. Its class. The class of the wealthy - the class of the few. Its always class we need to break down. Nothing maters more.

"We'd rather have a convicted felon pedophile be president because the Democrats don't want to dismantle capitalism entirely and replace with... well we don't know what with".

• Absolute fucking dumbasses.